Yes, he temporarily fulfilled the prophesy. It was never specified how long the "balance" would last, afaik.
On that note, I never understood how destroying the Sith would balance the Force anyway..? It just tips the scales in favor of the light side -- that's not balance. Especially when the Mortis trilogy outright confirms that the light cannot exist without the dark, and vice versa. BOTH aspects are necessary in order to have true balance.
Father: "Too much dark or light would be the undoing of life as you understand it."
Son: "How simple you make it. Light and dark... As if there is one without the other."
I don't think Rey should've been the one to end Palpatine once and for all, she's not a Skywalker and not nearly as interesting as Ben, who I think should've been the one to end Palpatine once and for all because of his Skywalker blood and he's a fairly interesting character, and it would be poetic with what he said about finishing what Vader started i.e. ending Palpatine's life and destroying the Sith.
Originally posted by Galan007I think they just mean that good should prevail over evil to bring the balance back.
Yes, he temporarily fulfilled the prophesy. It was never specified how long the "balance" would last, afaik.On that note, I never understood how destroying the Sith would balance the Force anyway..? It just tips the scales in favor of the light side -- that's not balance. Especially when the Mortis trilogy outright confirms that the light cannot exist without the dark, and vice versa. BOTH aspects are necessary in order to have true balance.
Father: "Too much dark or light would be the undoing of life as you understand it."
Son: "How simple you make it. Light and dark... As if there is one without the other."
Originally posted by YousufKhan1212The way I look at it, the two Palpatines (Rey and Sidious) cancelled each other out and were both killed. It still took the Skywalker (Ben) to bring her back.
I don't think Rey should've been the one to end Palpatine once and for all, she's not a Skywalker and not nearly as interesting as Ben, who I think should've been the one to end Palpatine once and for all because of his Skywalker blood and he's a fairly interesting character, and it would be poetic with what he said about finishing what Vader started i.e. ending Palpatine's life and destroying the Sith.
Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, he temporarily fulfilled the prophesy. It was never specified how long the "balance" would last, afaik.On that note, I never understood how destroying the Sith would balance the Force anyway..? It just tips the scales in favor of the light side -- that's not balance. Especially when the Mortis trilogy outright confirms that the light cannot exist without the dark, and vice versa. BOTH aspects are necessary in order to have true balance.
Father: "Too much dark or light would be the undoing of life as you understand it."
Son: "How simple you make it. Light and dark... As if there is one without the other."
Maybe, just maybe, the story is that you need to balance your selflessness with your passion, and the Jedi didn't understand that (thus their misinterpretation of the prophecy) and failed, but then Luke properly balanced love and pragmatism against Yoda's altruistic teachings, and that's how he brought balance? And you could spin in some BS about Palpatine being the symbol of imbalance and Vader being the true bringer, etc.
Originally posted by Eli Vanto
I think they just mean that good should prevail over evil to bring the balance back.
Originally posted by Eli Vanto
The way I look at it, the two Palpatines (Rey and Sidious) cancelled each other out and were both killed. It still took the Skywalker (Ben) to bring her back.
Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, he temporarily fulfilled the prophesy. It was never specified how long the "balance" would last, afaik.On that note, I never understood how destroying the Sith would balance the Force anyway..? It just tips the scales in favor of the light side -- that's not balance. Especially when the Mortis trilogy outright confirms that the light cannot exist without the dark, and vice versa. BOTH aspects are necessary in order to have true balance.
Father: "Too much dark or light would be the undoing of life as you understand it."
Son: "How simple you make it. Light and dark... As if there is one without the other."
Simple. Jedi, at least as Lucas envisions it, don't use the light side but find balance. Notice how the Jedi never mention the "light side" in the Lucas movies. They are more like the Father than the Daughter or at least they should be; the Prequel era Jedi were horribly flawed and were likely straying in this regard.
Originally posted by ares834But Lucas was also the guiding hand in the Mortis trilogy, which explicitly divides the Force into light and dark aspects, and states that even too much light can cause a horrible imbalance. 😕
Simple. Jedi, at least as Lucas envisions it, don't use the light side but find balance. Notice how the Jedi never mention the "light side" in the Lucas movies. They are more like the Father than the Daughter or at least they should be; the Prequel era Jedi were horribly flawed and were likely straying in this regard.
Originally posted by Total Warrior👆
Yeah, maybe even the destruction of the jedi order was needed to bring balance, since, as you said, they had grown arrogant and were not true to thir original principles anymore
The Jedi Order had become fully subservient to the political and bureaucratic nature of the Republic/Senate by the time of the PT, and had lost their way in that respect. Barriss was right.
Originally posted by Galan007
But Lucas was also the guiding hand in the Mortis trilogy, which explicitly divides the Force into light and dark aspects, and states that even too much light can cause a horrible imbalance. 😕
I'm not saying the light side does not exist but rather (perhaps it was Lucas's intention) that the Jedi are not light siders, instead they are "balanced" like the Father.
Originally posted by ares834
I'm not saying the light side does not exist but rather (perhaps it was Lucas's intention) that the Jedi are not light siders, instead they are "balanced" like the Father.
the Jedi aren't the balance though, they were too rigidly right wing for a lack of a better term lol, my theory, before the ST anyways was that Luke himself was the balance; he was compassionate and caring but not possessive or overly emotional for the most part
Originally posted by ares834Could very well be, but we've just never seen them portrayed like that. The system seems very rigid/black&white -- you either use the light side or the dark side. Not both.
I'm not saying the light side does not exist but rather (perhaps it was Lucas's intention) that the Jedi are not light siders, instead they are "balanced" like the Father.
Canon Luke was aware of the importance of opening yourself up to both aspects, but he was still very much part of the "light side".
The only Jedi in canon that I can think of who was truly "balanced" in such a way(aside from the mythical Prime Jedi) was Ezra -- because he was able to use both aspects of the Force, without being 'corrupted' by either facet.
In Legends the first force users trained on Tython, where there were two moons, one engulfed in the light side, the onter in the darkness. Whenever a force user lent too much towards the dark or the light, they were sent to one of these moons in order to regain their balance. I never understood why even the Jedi were so strict about not reaching a compromise between the two side of the force, like the first Je'dai did. At least in Legends we know it can be done. Not sure about canon