Regarding Anakin vs Count Dooku battle ROS

Originally posted by Darth Thor
All that only shows Anakin never won by luck or due to Palpatine commanding Dooku to take it easy. Anakin was just that good, and getting better throughout TCW.

I never said that Dooku was better then Anakin when he's fighting at his 100%. Anakin, as long as Obi-Wan was there, couldn't fight as good as he could without him. As long as Obi-Wan was near, Anakin would never released his dark emotions. Which was needed for him to reach his highest level. And after he did, he was well above Dooku. Before? Not at all. Dooku was doing pretty well everytime he had to deal with them both at once.

There is no doubt in my mind Anakin may have lost had Palpatine not been there. A lot of factors at play during this fight Dooku towards the end Dooku was calm and I believe he was even stated as playing with Anakin.

And on top of Dooku being told to lose right before the fight he mentions the war was making him feel his age or something like that.

Did Anakin actually start using his aggressive feelings against Dooku there? Don't remember what the novel had to say.

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Stover's novel shouldn't be even worth of attention here. It's out-dated, retconed and was contradict the movie since it was released.

Sidious says in the movie that Anakin is more powerful and they're equals as of DD. It makes sense for Anakin to be slightly more powerful at this stage.

Originally posted by McP
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Stover's novel shouldn't be even worth of attention here. It's out-dated, retconed and was contradict the movie since it was released.

Manily because in the movie Dooku makes it a point to mention that he could sense fear, pain, and anger in Anakin, but then says he wasn't using those emotions- and that was said just moments before Anakin beat him.

The RotS novelization does mention that Anakin began using his fear/fury against Dooku after Palpatine's taunt(which was not in the film, mind you.)

However, even without actively using his dark sided emotions, Anakin was still handing Dooku his ass before that.

When Anakin wasn't using his darkside emotions Dooku was having fun and playing with him getting the upper hand that's when Sidious interfered goading Anakin to kill Dooku which surprised Dooku but by then it was too late.

Originally posted by Galan007
However, even without actively using his dark sided emotions, Anakin was still handing Dooku his ass before that.

Only in the book. Not in ROTS movie. And not in "The Rise and Fall of DV", which is far closer to the movie.
Dooku taunted Anakin pretty the same way Vader taunted Luke. In the book Palpatine do that, because Dooku was already hard pressed and would never to that, he did quite oposite.

Anakin and Obi-Wan chaarged at Dooku, he defended himself and outmanuvered them once or twice. Then he kicked Anakin away, Force choked Kenobi. Anakin was stunned by Dooku's kick for a copule of seconds. Then Anakin kick Dooku and he lands on his feet with an elegant flip. And after that taunts him. There is no way, that this can be call "loosing" in any way.

Originally posted by McP
Only in the book.

Sorry just a bit confused .. So Canonically : in this saber duel if Dooku wanted to defeat or kill anakin he could have easily done so ?
So in the whole fight Dooku wasnt going all out as Sidious told him not to and to get defeated on purpose etc?

All that has been stated in canon is that Dooku expected Palpatine to come to his aid if Anakin started getting the better of him. I do not recall any canon sources implying that Dooku was pulling his punches against Anakin, though... Definitely not after Kenobi was incapacitated.

Originally posted by ozz81
Sorry just a bit confused .. So Canonically : in this saber duel if Dooku wanted to defeat or kill anakin he could have easily done so ?
So in the whole fight Dooku wasnt going all out as Sidious told him not to and to get defeated on purpose etc?

Dooku states he's feeling the effects of war and is becoming fatigued
Palpatine tells him the plan is to kill Kenobi and he was to be captured then released once the plan is complete.
The fight starts Dooku following the plan
Dooku realised that he might not be able to win and starts to go for the kill
Dooku was becoming tired and exhausted during the fight while Anakin is becoming stronger
Dooku switches tactics then starts to gain control again then goes back into his playful mode while having fun while he can(yes it says this)
Then Sidious intervenes goading Anakin into using aggression into killing Dooku which surprised Dooku. Dooku thought that maybe this was part of the plan and that he himself was being tested.
Then Anakin kills him.

The end.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I'm not going into compete detail because there is a lot of stuff going on that people ignore. So in a nutshell:

Dooku states he's feeling the effects of war and is becoming fatigued
Palpatine tells him the plan is to kill Kenobi and he was to be captured then released once the plan is complete.
The fight starts Dooku following the plan
Dooku realised that he might not be able to win and starts to go for the kill
Dooku was becoming tired and exhausted during the fight while Anakin is becoming stronger
Dooku switches tactics then starts to gain control again then goes back into his playful mode while having fun while he can(yes it says this)
Then Sidious intervenes goading Anakin into using aggression into killing Dooku which surprised Dooku. Dooku thought that maybe this was part of the plan and that he himself was being tested.
Then Anakin kills him.

The end.

Just read a portion of the fight and never realized Dooku exhausted himself from dragging the fight on per Palpatines orders. Also says he could have killed them at any time.

I'll finish it later.

^ Which Palpatine doesn't think.

The fight is written from Dooku's perspective. He's pretty confident at the start, but changes his tune later on.

Not really....unless Dooku refers to himself in the 3rd person.

And yes Dooku does start to try harder but eventually goes back in to his playful mode.

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https://prnt.sc/rvc6h7 -- Is going for the kill from this point onwards.
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https://prnt.sc/rvcbtm -- Dooku taunts Anakin, making Anakin off balanced so he acts 'playful' again.
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https://prnt.sc/rvcdfu -- Anakin channels his fury and then wins immediately afterwards.

Dooku was only started to act playfully after he taunted Anakin, which puts him off. As soon as Palpatine tells him to focus it Dooku loses. 'Dooku no longer even tried to strike back' shows that Dooku never had a chance.

Palpatine doesn't think Dooku can kill Anakin and Palpatine later proclaims Anakin as more powerful.

They're also equal as of Dark Disciple so it makes sense for Anakin to be slightly more powerful.

When Dooku went back into play mode Palpatine then got involved which surprised Dooku then he thought that maybe it was part of the plan but obviously it wasn't. Without Palpatine there to fuel Anakin Dooku would have killed them both.

And yes Anakin is more powerful but less skilled.