Originally posted by CriticalShaft
A robot that could swing his sabers so fast that Jedi couldn't keep up even with force augmentation. (Jedi that would shit on Kylo). Trash is he? He was trained by Dooku ffs.
It's a Grievous shitsomp
I don't think the intent was for the KoR to necessarily be fodder. Ultimate Star Wars states that their fighting skills and martial prowess was "without equal":
https://i.imgur.com/1cEsRHv.jpg
But the RoS VD notes that the KoR's Force-sensitivity was "stunted", and goes on to state that they would have been the perfect stock to become Inquisitors back in the Imperial days:
https://i.imgur.com/0vce5mW.jpg
So given their lack of proper Force training, the individual members of the KoR are most likely below the level of your average Inquisitor... They do have pretty interesting powers, though -- whenever Vicrul kills an opponent, for example, he takes their soul and uses it to augment his own power(Highlander style.)
Regardless, they only ever fought two opponents:
-Post-RotJ Luke, who utterly humiliated them. But that's definitely not a poor showing, given that Luke was, in all likelihood, the most powerful character in the mythos aside from RoS Palpatine.
-Ben, who also stomped them. But it's interesting that he was getting his ass beat by them until he got a saber(not sure why he couldn't just dominate them with the Force beforehand..?) And like you said, the Dyad was also amping Ben at the time.
Those definitely aren't 'low' showings at all by themselves. Thing is, the KoR really have no other feats that can help us properly gauge them. As of now, all we can infer is that they are around Inquisitor-level(at best), and obviously WELL below the level of Luke/Ben.
Originally posted by CriticalShaftHyperbole. Kylo is more powerful than everyone under their own power at his peak save Rey. Those two were the most powerful force users from the film. Disney best over backwards raising stakes, feats, force abilities, and scale.
A robot that could swing his sabers so fast that Jedi couldn't keep up even with force augmentation. (Jedi that would shit on Kylo). Trash is he? He was trained by Dooku ffs.
It's a Grievous shitsomp
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hyperbole. Kylo is more powerful than everyone under their own power at his peak save Rey. Those two were the most powerful force users from the film. Disney best over backwards raising stakes, feats, force abilities, and scale.
Originally posted by CriticalShaftNot according to Luke, Ren, etc. Rey does not just have power you have his(Palpatine) power. Do you think Palpatine power is next to nothing to prequel Jedi? No, you hate this era so you seek any illogical methods to convince yourself and others of this nonsensical conclusion.
Feats and force abilities? Such as. From what I've seen, they're both nothing compared to prequel Jedi
Look at their feats alone. Ren and Rey were extremely powerful most of the prequel Jedi were not.
Statements are illogical in the world of star wars. There are always numerous contradicting statements between writers and characters. (I'll list examples if you want). Rey's most impressive feat was the thing w/ the starship, which K'kruhk managed to do with an imperial ship. And he is not on the level of even Secura or Drallig. rey is not stronger than Palpatine. Her lightsaber was what won that fight.
