Show me the disparity Sheev.
Galan already did-
Originally posted by Galan007
The RotS script states that Yoda disarmed Palpatine during one of the cut-scenes:
https://i.imgur.com/FADvszA.jpgBut Palpatine has been stated to have ultimately gotten the better of Yoda across multiple sources...
The SW Databank states- "Darth Sidious overwhelmed Yoda with the destructive energy of the dark side, and the Jedi Master fled Coruscant.":
https://i.imgur.com/7nzC07o.jpgJedi vs. Sith (2016) initially states that the two were "equally fierce", but then goes on to state- "[Yoda] realized that he could not defeat Sidious this time.":
https://i.imgur.com/uPJC8WH.jpgGalactic Maps (2016) states- "[Yoda] is unable to defeat the Sith Lord in combat.":
https://i.imgur.com/V6USqEt.jpgThe updated Character Encyclopedia (2016) states- "Even the diminutive Jedi's amazing strength and speed, however, are not a match for the devastating fury of a Sith Lord.":
https://i.imgur.com/FbL07II.jpgUltimate Star Wars (2019) states- "The full power of the light side and the dark side of the Force is on display during Yoda's clash with Emperor Palpatine. Outmatched, Yoda retreats...":
https://i.imgur.com/MAGKmAL.jpgAnd Yoda's timeline in Ultimate Star Wars (2019) states- "Yoda tries to stop Palpatine, the new Emperor, from taking control. He loses, and barely escapes with his life.":
https://i.imgur.com/tfBV1KG.jpgIOW, Yoda may have been slightly above Palpatine in sabers(if you go by the original RotS script), but Palpatine > Yoda with the Force.
Originally posted by Galan007
That's true.Palpatine was still shown with his saber in this flashback sequence from Galaxy of Adventures (2019):
And this clip states- "[Palpatine] is even skilled enough with the dark side of the Force to defeat Jedi Grand Master Yoda in a lightsaber duel.":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kstNsp5n_eU&t=0m12sSo in canon, he may have just been superior to Yoda across the board.
You're just too pig headed to accept it. You'd rather that your own personal interpretation of their fight in the movie (which was riddled with cutscenes) take precedence over the facts that have been detailed in canon.
Sheev>Yoda. Accept it. 🙂
Originally posted by SheevThe movie contradicts those fact files or whatever was posted above.
My personal opinion of their battle in the movie is irrelevant (as is yours). Canon has been kind enough to provide us with a ton of evidence saying that Sheev>Yoda.Are you actually this ignorant or are you just trolling?
I'm thinking you're trolling.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Sidious had the high ground and was throwing the pods downwards. Yoda caught one stopping the downwards force and put some stank on it and sent it directly upwards at Palpatine making him relocate to a safer position. I don't see a force disparity there.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
YouTube video
2:48 Sidious lifts three far above his head, against gravity. He also maintains some in the air while throwing others and ripping out more.
If Yoda was Palpatine's exact equal, and it being so much easier just to pull one down and let gravity do the rest, like you say, then why didn't Yoda just pull one (or even a couple) down on Sidious's head while Sidious was lifting multiple against the force of gravity?
I mean it is implied in canon that Sheev's preferred form is actually Jar'kai. So even if Yoda and Mace defeated him in sabers only in canon it could be argued that Sheev was at a disadvantage with both weapons.
Either way, I've always viewed it as Sidious wins 51:49 against Yoda. With Yoda being better in sabers and Sidious being more powerful in the Force. This is backed in the movie where Sidious retreats to the Grand Convocation Chamber because he's being overwhelmed in his office. In a confined room Yoda can likely take the win but in any environment where Sidious can take advantage of his superior force powers, Yoda takes the L.
Originally posted by Dominis
2:48 Sidious lifts three far above his head, against gravity. He also maintains some in the air while throwing others and ripping out more.If Yoda was Palpatine's exact equal, and it being so much easier just to pull one down and let gravity do the rest, like you say, then why didn't Yoda just pull one (or even a couple) down on Sidious's head while Sidious was lifting multiple against the force of gravity?
Are you seriously arguing that Yoda is incapable of doing the same thing? lol
Originally posted by juggernaut74
The movie contradicts those fact files or whatever was posted above.I'm thinking you're trolling.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Palpatine had an OH ****!!! Look several times on his face showing me Yoda was superior.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
I mean it is implied in canon that Sheev's preferred form is actually Jar'kai.
Originally posted by ares834
Are you seriously arguing that Yoda is incapable of doing the same thing? lol
Originally posted by SheevIn teens of power the film shows them to be equals. Light fighting darkness. It is a pretty easy concept to grasp. Look at the power exchange at the end where he comes off as winning only to have yoda able to absorb and redirect his fl. Only reason he fell off the pod is he was closer to the end at the time they were both hit by the blowback of the blast.
My personal opinion of their battle in the movie is irrelevant (as is yours). Canon has been kind enough to provide us with a ton of evidence saying that Sheev>Yoda.Are you actually this ignorant or are you just trolling?
Palpatine is far more cunning I give wisdom edge to yoda. Sidious manipulated under the guise of an ally having a galactic army and Vader wipe the Jedi from the map. He was not man enough to want any piece of yoda on his own. He tried fleeing like a coward and you claim he is far more powerful. Makes no sense on any level save selective reasoning to reach a biased conclusion favoring Palpatine.
Yodas own words, IF SO POWERFUL YOU ARE WHY LEAVE?
I don't see how you could say Sidious>Yoda in force powers other than variety at the time of ROTS.
They're shown clearly as equals in their final exchange of the force
In raw force power that is, obviously Sidious has the more deadly abilities.
But there's not information to say they're anything other than equals without assuming stuff.
Originally posted by ScizardSidious was offense yoda was defense in their power exchange in which they stalemated. The force tends to balance out light and dark in the end. Snokes dialogue confirms Reys power surged just to match Kylos rise in power. Yin to yang.
I don't see how you could say Sidious>Yoda in force powers other than variety at the time of ROTS.They're shown clearly as equals in their final exchange of the force
In raw force power that is, obviously Sidious has the more deadly abilities.
But there's not information to say they're anything other than equals without assuming stuff.
Originally posted by DominisYoda stopping the downward momentum and redirecting back upward directly at Palpatine is more impressive imo.
2:48 Sidious lifts three far above his head, against gravity. He also maintains some in the air while throwing others and ripping out more.If Yoda was Palpatine's exact equal, and it being so much easier just to pull one down and let gravity do the rest, like you say, then why didn't Yoda just pull one (or even a couple) down on Sidious's head while Sidious was lifting multiple against the force of gravity?
It's interesting, because if you *only* used the films as evidence, then you might be inclined to think that Yoda and Dooku were peers during AotC -- there was no overt disparity between them that I can recall in the film.
...But thanks to supplementary material, we know that Yoda was far and away superior to Dooku. Same basic thing applies here: the film isn't the only canon evidence we have to go by where Yoda and Palpatine are concerned. Everything counts, whether you agree or not.
It's not a matter of "picking your source."
It's a matter of using the abundance of canon evidence at hand to draw a logical conclusion. In this case, there are no less than 7 different sources(some of which are very recent) telling us that Palpatine > Yoda, and not one source I've yet to come across saying the opposite.
You are entitled to your opinions, but unfortunately, personal interpretations of their fight in RotS do not supersede established canon. Now, if the film had said something to the effect of: "Yoda and Palpatine were equal", or "Yoda could have bested Palpatine", I would completely understand where you're coming from -- but obviously no explicit statements like that were provided in the film(much like Yoda's fight with Dooku in AotC)... That's where all the other canon sources come into play. 😉
It seems to me that you just don't like(or agree with) the canon info I posted, so you're acting like it is irrelevant... But that's simply not how the canon system works. Canon > fan opinions.
