Superman versus Iceman (Bobby)

Originally posted by Sin I AM
It's odd to think the apocalypse seed wasn't an amp when it amped everyone else like Daken, Archangel, Mystique etc...maybe she was toying with him as she usually does

It does make sense, as we see Gambit saying this later:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/10/101077/4179693-iceman%20gambit.png

Point is, Bobby always needed someone or something to unlock his power; he just can't do it on his own.

He's been a closet homo most of his life. He is still learning about himself and his powers.

Originally posted by Smurph
What are you saying Sin?

That Mystique would lie??

She's was an xman at one point and we all know X-Men don't lie

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Iceman always needs someone or something to "free his mind".

Emma Frost, Betsy Braddock, Death Seed.

It's still an amp, as Bobby was never able to tap into his truest potential on his own.

that's not an amp.. nothing is increasing his powers tenfold.. Its just him without limits, without blocks...

LIKE Mystique says OUTRIGHT in that scan

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It does make sense, as we see Gambit saying this later:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/10/101077/4179693-iceman%20gambit.png

Point is, Bobby always needed someone or something to unlock his power; he just can't do it on his own.

He's been a closet homo most of his life. He is still learning about himself and his powers.

Canon fact. 👆

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
that's not an amp.. nothing is increasing his powers tenfold.. Its just him without limits, without blocks...

LIKE Mystique says OUTRIGHT in that scan

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
that's not an amp.. nothing is increasing his powers tenfold.. Its just him without limits, without blocks...

LIKE Mystique says OUTRIGHT in that scan

Unlocking someone's true potential IS an amp.

Because they might never reach that level on their own.

In Iceman's case, he needed at least two telepaths - not to mention initial tutoring from Xavier - to surpass his limits.

Death Seed is no different, it elevated Iceman on higher level than he was able to reach on his own.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Unlocking someone's true potential IS an amp.

Because they might never reach that level on their own.

In Iceman's case, he needed at least two telepaths - not to mention initial tutoring from Xavier - to surpass his limits.

Death Seed is no different, it elevated Iceman on higher level than he was able to reach on his own.

Someones true potential isn't an amp.
Someone removing those blocks ISN'T an amp but an aid.

It made Bobby reach his true potential, but it DIDN'T increase him futher than what he actually is...
Unlocking ones true potential isn't an amp, WHAT are you talking about

Same thing as when Sentry lost his mental blocks

That's literally like saying No moral/ bloodlust is an amp
Or superman being mind controlled/ mental manipulated by max lord to fight wonder woman is an amp

Alberto makes an interesting (though unintentional) point. Has Apocalypse or his seed lol, failed to amp anyone he's converted? I remember people use to say War Hulk wasn't amped. Are there any other examples?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Someones true potential isn't an amp.
Someone removing those blocks ISN'T an amp but an aid.

Reaching your true potential takes long years. Decades, even.

Omega Level Telepaths (or Death Seed) are a shortcut. It's cheating.

YOU'RE comparing the whole seed to a shard.. THAT'S the difference here
But I guess some parts in comics have said the seed itself its amps..

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Reaching your true potential takes long years. Decades, even.

Omega Level Telepaths (or Death Seed) are a shortcut. It's cheating.

that's just gaining help from an outside source to remove ones limitations/ mental blocks not a true amp

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Has Apocalypse or his seed lol, failed to amp anyone he's converted?

Wolverine.

But, technically, Nur has given Logan the tech, weapons and had his skeleton bonded with adamantium again.

So we can't say Deathverine had no advantages over pre-The Twelve Bone Claw Wolverine.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
that's just gaining help from an outside source to remove ones limitations/ mental blocks not a true amp

It's more than just that.

Most mutants won't even come close to their true potential in their lifetime.

So no, we shouldn't treat Iceman's true potential as his standard power level. Not after he REPEATEDLY needed help to reach it.

Bobby is sexier than Clark, so he wins.

Clark is pretty ugly.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Clark is pretty ugly.

👆

He’s hideous.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's more than just that.

Most mutants won't even come close to their true potential in their lifetime.

So no, we shouldn't treat Iceman's true potential as his standard power level. Not after he REPEATEDLY needed help to reach it.

YOU'RE arguing in character, Base power/ Limitation... AGAINST true potential/ full power though
It's still not an amp.. period