Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Wasn't Foggy talking some sense into Matt prior to that, weakening the beast's grip on him?
Not sure.
I'd re-read it, but it was just so awful to read once.
Wouldn't surprise me though. The Beast kept getting stronger, until Matt couldn't shake it off without a little positive chi injection.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
yeah, I know he was in Iron Fist and Powerman and Iron Fist first, however, he was not portrayed as that much less powerful than when he fought Spidey or the X men, not that much later Stilt.
Ten years, Whirly.
It took ten years for Creed to get actual super-powers.
Against Danny and Parker, he had no healing factor, which is his main power.
Sorry bro, but you're wrong here. Big time.
Wolverine. his healing factor and claws can do the job. as for martial art skills alone, he is one of the best. many times people see wolverine getting bested at the pure skills department, but as was explained already, wolverine relies too much on his healing factor and therefor doesnt really care to get hit, stabbed, shot act act. however, at times when he lost his healing factor, you can see how much ass he kicks when he taps into his skills alone.
Originally posted by Dareangel
Wolverine. his healing factor and claws can do the job. as for martial art skills alone, he is one of the best. many times people see wolverine getting bested at the pure skills department, but as was explained already, wolverine relies too much on his healing factor and therefor doesnt really care to get hit, stabbed, shot act act. however, at times when he lost his healing factor, you can see how much ass he kicks when he taps into his skills alone.
Logans power set disqualifies him.
In skills alone he can keep up with Cap or Danny, but that isn't the same as "beating" them. He has absolutely no feats of besting a top tier MA with pure skills, without his claws or HF supporting him.
While Iron Fist DOES have feats of using pure skills to defeat the likes of Steel Serpent, or a Game of Death like tournament.
Originally posted by cdtm
Logans power set disqualifies him.In skills alone he can keep up with Cap or Danny, but that isn't the same as "beating" them. He has absolutely no feats of besting a top tier MA with pure skills, without his claws or HF supporting him.
While Iron Fist DOES have feats of using pure skills to defeat the likes of Steel Serpent, or a Game of Death like tournament.
so you asume basically that this is a thread of who is a league above iron fist, rather than who simply can beat him. because if you ask who can beat him, anyone from the top tier can win some or lose some to him. but to put someone a league above him, nobody, because he is at the very top with other top fighters. IMO of course.
as for logan fighting feats and beating tough opponents with pure skills, did you read wolverine manifest destiny? its a nice read to see his skills. of course you already know about his feats such as besting shang chi, besting omega red and lady shiva at the same time without his claws, just h2h combat, i dont recall all his fights, kinda rusty with wolverine, i remember he has wins over daredevil and blade but i dont recall if it was with or without claws. but read manifest destiny its a good one.
Originally posted by Dareangel
so you asume basically that this is a thread of who is a league above iron fist, rather than who simply can beat him. because if you ask who can beat him, anyone from the top tier can win some or lose some to him. but to put someone a league above him, nobody, because he is at the very top with other top fighters. IMO of course.
as for logan fighting feats and beating tough opponents with pure skills, did you read wolverine manifest destiny? its a nice read to see his skills. of course you already know about his feats such as besting shang chi, besting omega red and lady shiva at the same time without his claws, just h2h combat, i dont recall all his fights, kinda rusty with wolverine, i remember he has wins over daredevil and blade but i dont recall if it was with or without claws. but read manifest destiny its a good one.
I'm saying I'd need proof Logan can beat a top tier without the claws or healing factor.
Far as I know, he's always had claws in some form, and the times he lost his HF, never featured him showing off his skills in a martial arts tournament.
Originally posted by cdtm
In skills alone he can keep up with Cap or Danny, but that isn't the same as "beating" them. He has absolutely no feats of besting a top tier MA with pure skills, without his claws or HF supporting him.
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We can do this all day.
Another example:
Dominated the fight, not using his claws till the very end.
None of those leave Logan powerless.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
👆We can do this all day.
Another example:
Dominated the fight, not using his claws till the very end.
Come on now, Wolverine even mentions his enhancements being something Shang didn't count on. 🙁
He still had his HF against Danny and Cap too. He can't swith it off like Danny can reduce his ki output.
In fact, Cap being unable to heal a blood clot like Logan can heal his injury was a specifically stated plot point.
Originally posted by cdtm
Come on now, Wolverine even mentions his enhancements being something Shang didn't count on. 🙁
Shang hasn't tagged Logan even once in that fight... aside from that kick which apparently was supposed to mean "thank you for killing my assailants" 🙂
Originally posted by cdtm
He still had his HF against Danny and Cap too. He can't swith it off like Danny can reduce his ki output.In fact, Cap being unable to heal a blood clot like Logan can heal his injury was a specifically stated plot point.
Danny's entire being is infused with mystical chi and Dragon chi, lol.
Wolverine's injury only prevented him from using his claws, meanwhile the blood cot put Cap down for the count. Even though SSS does give him some accelerated healing.