Severus Snape (Harry Potter films) vs. Count Dooku (Star Wars prequel films)

Originally posted by KingD19
They are also still capable of being hit and interacting with the physical world while flying. So Dooku would still be able to use the Force on him.

This was shown by the Death Eaters not only being hit by spells while in flight, but being knocked off course and flying into buildings and the water and stuff.

And Dokku would be able to sense and react to the spells as multiple Force Users light and dark side have reacted to things they can't see or moving so fast they shouldn't be able to respond in time.

It's still not gonna be easy for Dooku to specifically target Snapes neck. Especially if he's also trying to avoid spells.

And some spells just can't be blocked. He would have no way to stop himself from being turned into a rat. Or even just imperio

Why would he specifically target his neck? He was casually fighting Anakin behind his back while force throwing Kenobi across the entire hangar hard enough to crush a guard rail. He can also toss out force lightning by flicking his fingers. He could just yank him put of the sky with the force. He's strong enough to hold up massive machinery against Yoda. And that's not even including his clone wars feats, which are canon to the movie meow.

Dooku doesn’t need a wand to use the Force, whereas Snape has to have a wand to use the Killing Curse as well as recite said spell. Dooku just has to use his mind.

I’m not slighting another character; I’m citing on screen feats and facts.

Originally posted by Surtur
To be fair the force is wanked pretty heavily here too lol.

I wasn't aware Melkor appeared in any of the movies. Melkor/Morgoth as he appeared in some books would be beyond anything in HP.

As for Sauron, in the LOTR his physical form that we see in the beginning of the first movie would be pretty easily defeated by a wizard. In spirit form they would need to destroy the ring to stop him. The version of Sauron we see from The Hobbit movies would defeat any wizard.

Yes, there are people that argues Melkor would lose to no nose, and no one is the true Dark Lord.

Physical Sauron was still 7 to 8 feet tall, the only reason he lost was because when the One Ring was forged, he literally put all of his soul and essence into it. Also don’t forget, the blade used to slash of his hand was a Deus Ex Machina, it wasn’t just cheap steel.

I dunno, his physical form in the movies was kinda beastly as well

Originally posted by KingD19
Why would he specifically target his neck? He was casually fighting Anakin behind his back while force throwing Kenobi across the entire hangar hard enough to crush a guard rail. He can also toss out force lightning by flicking his fingers. He could just yank him put of the sky with the force. He's strong enough to hold up massive machinery against Yoda. And that's not even including his clone wars feats, which are canon to the movie meow.

People are talking about him snapping necks.

And yes I haven't forgotten his lovingly putting some debris on Obi Wan.

Originally posted by Impediment
Dooku doesn’t need a wand to use the Force, whereas Snape has to have a wand to use the Killing Curse as well as recite said spell. Dooku just has to use his mind.

I’m not slighting another character; I’m citing on screen feats and facts.

We get into murky territory now. It's true Snape needs a wand for a death curse, but I wanna point out what a wandless Harry did to his fat aunt. If a pissed off 13 yr. old can do that without a wand you'd think an adult wizard could as well.

Again, murky territory given we never saw Snape do it. But then we never saw Voldemort do that spell to unlock doors either, yet I wouldn't feel comfortable saying he can't do spells children can.

Harry's use of wandless magic was a pure rage reaction. Like a 13yr old popping a random boner in class. It's not just something people can do. True wandless magic takes years and years of study and only people like Dumbledore and that mystery physics wizard who was making his tea stir itself while reading a book on science have done so.

It's not one of those things where 1 wizard can do it so all of them can.

And I was talking about when Dooku thrashed Anakin and Obi-Wan at the same time. He had enough power to blast him across the room and enough control to make him hit the rail, then drop it on him without moving from his spot. He can clearly use powerful force TK at a distance and with accuracy.

None of the shit you just said about wandless magic is in the movies. They do not go in the specifics of it like that. And are we to really believe a random wizard in a shitty bar was some master sorcerer?

It's a funny throwaway scene that people have gone in depth about, but he's also one of the only wizards aside from Dumbledore to use wandless magic whether you like it or not.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wizardsandwhatnot.com/2016/03/12/j-k-rowling-clarifies-wandless-magic-details/amp/

This is JK Rowling herself explaining wandless magic that basically the Europeans invented wands to make magic easier, so growing up in a society where you use a wand from day one you have to be super talented to do magic without one to a noticeable degree.

And while Snape has used wandless magic, that doesnt mean he can do every single spell without a wand.

Oh and JK even talks about the underage accidental wandless magic that Harry and other kids do all the time on accident when they are emotionally charged. That's different from true wandless magic like Dumbledore.

Originally posted by Surtur
None of the shit you just said about wandless magic is in the movies. They do not go in the specifics of it like that. And are we to really believe a random wizard in a shitty bar was some master sorcerer?

I have a wand related question:
Can other things be used to focus magic/cast spells?
Hagrid uses an umbrella, but his busted wand is supposedly inside it. Lucius Malfoy has his wand in a cane, but he takes it out to cast.
Mad Eye Moody used a staff to cast a spell (in a movie) but had a wand.
I vaguely recall a bunch of wizards coming into Hogwarts (again in a movie), and they all had staves not wands.

Originally posted by KingD19
It's a funny throwaway scene that people have gone in depth about, but he's also one of the only wizards aside from Dumbledore to use wandless magic whether you like it or not.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wizardsandwhatnot.com/2016/03/12/j-k-rowling-clarifies-wandless-magic-details/amp/

This is JK Rowling herself explaining wandless magic that basically the Europeans invented wands to make magic easier, so growing up in a society where you use a wand from day one you have to be super talented to do magic without one to a noticeable degree.

And while Snape has used wandless magic, that doesnt mean he can do every single spell without a wand.

Oh and JK even talks about the underage accidental wandless magic that Harry and other kids do all the time on accident when they are emotionally charged. That's different from true wandless magic like Dumbledore.

I'm not saying Snape can do every spell without a wand. I'm saying he could probably achieve an effect similar to what Harry did with his aunt.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^i don’t believe that.

I have a wand related question:
Can other things be used to focus magic/cast spells?
Hagrid uses an umbrella, but his busted wand is supposedly inside it. Lucius Malfoy has his wand in a cane, but he takes it out to cast.
Mad Eye Moody used a staff to cast a spell (in a movie) but had a wand.
I vaguely recall a bunch of wizards coming into Hogwarts (again in a movie), and they all had staves not wands.

It's hard to say, the lore is all over the place especially in the books. They talk about how goblins are envious of wizards because wizards won't share wand lore with the goblins. You would think if there were other methods of doing it the specifics of wand lore wouldn't be so important.

Originally posted by Surtur
It's hard to say, the lore is all over the place especially in the books. They talk about how goblins are envious of wizards because wizards won't share wand lore with the goblins. You would think if there were other methods of doing it the specifics of wand lore wouldn't be so important.

JK explains that wands make things easier and more focused, so it makes sense other magic using races would be mad the wizards are hogging a tool to streamline things while the rest of them have no choice but to use wandless magic.

What Harry did is literally his teenage wizard hormones acting up and causing a random magical reaction. Snape would need to do a specific spell, but wandless as wandless magic is simply the natural precursor to magic with wands. So he'd have to do a spell he knows without his wand. Unless the underage magic Harry used has a specific name, motion, etc... like all the other spells.

as well as recite said spell

Nah, high level mages in Potterverse don't need to recite spells verbally.

He still needs the wand, though. Potter magic is too uncontrollable without one.

Originally posted by KingD19
JK explains that wands make things easier and more focused, so it makes sense other magic using races would be mad the wizards are hogging a tool to streamline things while the rest of them have no choice but to use wandless magic.

What Harry did is literally his teenage wizard hormones acting up and causing a random magical reaction. Snape would need to do a specific spell, but wandless as wandless magic is simply the natural precursor to magic with wands. So he'd have to do a spell he knows without his wand. Unless the underage magic Harry used has a specific name, motion, etc... like all the other spells.

On the other hand it also talks about how goblins have killed wizards before. So...why didn't they just take a wand from a dead wizard and try to figure it out?

And how come they can figure out how to make such awesome weapons and armor, but not wands?

where is rj when you need him 😄 😄

Originally posted by Surtur
On the other hand it also talks about how goblins have killed wizards before. So...why didn't they just take a wand from a dead wizard and try to figure it out?

And how come they can figure out how to make such awesome weapons and armor, but not wands?

Just because wands make magic easier doesnt mean skilled goblins or whatever race or even wizards from other countries who dont subscribe to wands cant beat a wizard using a wand. They train and study just as hard as European wizards.

Originally posted by KingD19
Just because wands make magic easier doesnt mean skilled goblins or whatever race or even wizards from other countries who dont subscribe to wands cant beat a wizard using a wand. They train and study just as hard as European wizards.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wizardsandwhatnot.com/2016/03/12/j-k-rowling-clarifies-wandless-magic-details/amp/