Are we certain the Nazi's were defeated?

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Are we certain the Nazi's were defeated?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

Origin of project Edit
According to author Stephen Kinzer, the CIA project “was a continuation of the work begun in WWII-era Japanese facilities and Nazi concentration camps on subduing and controlling human minds”. Kinzer wrote that MKUltra's use of mescaline on unwitting subjects was a practice that Nazi doctors had begun in the Dachau concentration camp. Kinzer proposes evidence of the continuation of a Nazi agenda, citing the CIA's secret recruitment of Nazi torturers and vivisectionists to continue the experimentation on thousands of subjects, and Nazis brought to Fort Detrick, Maryland, to instruct CIA officers on the lethal uses of sarin gas.[13]

Aims and leadership Edit
The project was headed by Sidney Gottlieb but began on the order of CIA director Allen Welsh Dulles on April 13, 1953.[24] Its aim was to develop mind-controlling drugs for use against the Soviet bloc in response to alleged Soviet, Chinese, and North Korean use of mind control techniques on U.S. prisoners of war during the Korean War.[25] The CIA wanted to use similar methods on their own captives, and was interested in manipulating foreign leaders with such techniques,[26] devising several schemes to drug Fidel Castro. It often conducted experiments without the subjects' knowledge or consent.[27] In some cases, academic researchers were funded through grants from CIA front organizations but were unaware that the CIA was using their work for these purposes.[28]

The project attempted to produce a perfect truth drug for interrogating suspected Soviet spies during the Cold War, and to explore other possibilities of mind control. Subproject 54 was the Navy's top-secret "Perfect Concussion" program, which was supposed to use sub-aural frequency blasts to erase memory; the program was never carried out.[29]

Most MKUltra records were destroyed in 1973 by order of CIA director Richard Helms, so it has been difficult for investigators to gain a complete understanding of the more than 150 funded research subprojects sponsored by MKUltra and related CIA programs.[30]

The project began during a period of what Rupert Cornwell described as "paranoia" at the CIA, when the U.S. had lost its nuclear monopoly and fear of communism was at its height.[31] CIA counter-intelligence chief James Jesus Angleton believed that a mole had penetrated the organization at the highest levels.[31] The agency poured millions of dollars into studies examining ways to influence and control the mind and to enhance its ability to extract information from resistant subjects during interrogation.[32][33] Some historians assert that one goal of MKUltra and related CIA projects was to create a "Manchurian Candidate"-style subject.[34] Alfred McCoy has claimed that the CIA attempted to focus media attention on these sorts of "ridiculous" programs so that the public would not look at the research's primary goal, which was effective methods of interrogation.[32]

Tell a lie.

If this project was so secret, why would we believe them when they claim they stopped it.

What if the Nazi's were never in charge of the Nazi agenda from the start? What if the CIA created them, just like they have terrorism the world over?

Did I mention I was hospitalized for a breakdown diagnosed as Tourette's Syndrome, was regularly hooked in to electronic devices to measure my brain waves, and was once given a drug designed to relax me said to be Ativan, that gave me hallucinations for three days? I was a kid then. The effects seem similar to LSD, no?

Feels like your last few sentences were a pretty big bombshell you just kinda delivered with a weird nonchalant attitude.

Originally posted by Surtur
Feels like your last few sentences were a pretty big bombshell you just kinda delivered with a weird nonchalant attitude.

Not the first time I've brought it up.

It was at Yale New Haven Hospital, and they wanted to give me an MRI. Claimed the pill would calm me down. It did the opposite.

I don't know it was LSD, obviously, but I remember the hallucinations. Walls closing in on you, cables becoming living snakes. I also remember the reactions of people around me, including my folks.

That was also the time I became afraid of needles, because they took so many vials of blood out of my arm. Six maybe. Eight. No idea why they needed the blood work.

I mean, I'm sure I wasn't an unwitting guinea pig of a government project at all, but just knowing it did, in fact, happen to people.

And I was only ten years past when they supposedly "stopped".

Query: Are we certain the Nazi's were defeated?

Answer: The Nazis were defeated in WWII, but their message lives on in many parts of the world today.

eg Trump supporters in America, image from the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville

Originally posted by Robtard
Query: Are we certain the Nazi's were defeated?

Answer: The Nazis were defeated in WWII, but their message lives on in many parts of the world today.

eg Trump supporters in America, image from the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville

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Originally posted by Robtard
Query: Are we certain the Nazi's were defeated?

Answer: The Nazis were defeated in WWII, but their message lives on in many parts of the world today.

eg Trump supporters in America, image from the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville

Fair play.

The question is, are those stupid Nazi's all that's left of them?

Or are they still trying to make dogs heel via surgical implants in the CIA?

I think the German Nazi government was defeated, and the political theory known as fascism was limited, after appearing like a major global player on the rise. We do see certain resurgences throughout history and at this point as well. People like Jair Bolsonaro, Victor Orban, the Polish PIS Party, Rodrigo Duterte and aspects of Trump's administration, are using aspects of fascist ideology to strengthen their grip on power. It's a messy and complex subject however, there are no clear lines.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not exactly modern day Heydrichs or Eichmanns. Couldn't even Conference a uniform flag for their AIDS walk.

Originally posted by cdtm
Fair play.

The question is, are those [b]stupid Nazi's all that's left of them?

Or are they still trying to make dogs heel via surgical implants in the CIA? [/B]

I wouldn't compare them to the well-oiled-machine that was Nazi Germany, not even close. A lot of them are probably just low-intellect fools grouping up due to a common interest in blaming other people for the positions in life.

But not all, some are well educated and smart, the ones who reimagined and remarketed themselves as the "Alt-Right" (as an example), no more white tank-tops, folded pants and red-laced Doc Marten boots. These are clean-cut khaki and polo shirt wearing Nazis who try and [usually] calmly gaslight their message into the hearts and minds of today's White youths.

Richard Spencer is one the the more well known examples. Though he was caught on a cell phone throwing a complete raging and racist baby tantrum after the Charlotteville Unite the Right Rally. Stephen Miller is another.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Not exactly modern day Heydrichs or Eichmanns. Couldn't even Conference a uniform flag for their AIDS walk.

There was some confusion on the FaceBook group invite it seems.

Also keep in mind some people are too stupid to properly use the word "nazi".

Antifa morons will say nazis have not been defeated, but then they aren't very bright 🙂

Originally posted by Surtur
Also keep in mind some people are too stupid to properly use the word "nazi".

Antifa morons will say nazis have not been defeated, but then they aren't very bright 🙂

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
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Called it.

Yep, seems like you did.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Called it.

^Yikes, won't one of his white knights come give him props?

Ah reinforcements arrived quickly I see 🙂

oh great, the gimp is sleep deprived again, and on his high hill where the oxygen is thin

Here they come to save the daaaay:

Surt, are you OK or maga or whatever?

*yawn* Up your game.

Originally posted by Surtur
*yawn* Up your game.
up my what? Is that a euphemism? Why my dear it sounds dirty!