Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 😂 What has Bruce done comparable to owning Shang Chi
inb4 Shiva
2. I look at their history, and not 1 fight. You can have two peer fighters fight each other multiple times and each fighter will get a win. So beating someone in a fight doesn't necessarily mean you are better than them in general (just like with any sport).
3. Characters don't always fight at their best in comics. In other words, it can be a low showing for Shang Chi. Even Spider-man has had some shitty showings.
4. abc logic for skill comparison is faulty when it comes to characters from different universes why? Because we have no basis in which to compare. Why is Logan better than Batman? Because he beat Shang Chi. But Why is Shang Chi better than Batman? Because he defeated A. But why is A better than Batman? Because A defeated B. But why is B better than Batman? I can go on and on. There has to be a beginning basis (character X). But how would you compare that character X to Batman using abc logic if they never fought?
Originally posted by h1a8
1. I look at the actual skill they displayed. Batman is far more skilled than Logan.2. I look at their history, and not 1 fight. You can have two peer fighters fight each other multiple times and each fighter will get a win. So beating someone in a fight doesn't necessarily mean you are better than them in general (just like with any sport).
3. Characters don't always fight at their best in comics. In other words, it can be a low showing for Shang Chi. Even Spider-man has had some shitty showings.
4. abc logic for skill comparison is faulty when it comes to characters from different universes why? Because we have no basis in which to compare. Why is Logan better than Batman? Because he beat Shang Chi. But Why is Shang Chi better than Batman? Because he defeated A. But why is A better than Batman? Because A defeated B. But why is B better than Batman? I can go on and on. There has to be a beginning basis (character X). But how would you compare that character X to Batman using abc logic if they never fought?
Good post
Originally posted by Ize19
So, looking back at my old skill post, all of the links are dead. On top of that, a couple of them have been reposted, so I think it's time to make a slightly adjusted re-up of an old favorite.One reason that Wolverine is underrated as a martial artist, is that his physical abilities give him an edge that the other top tier's don't have. Well, here we have him fighting against Domina, the leader of the Neo, a group of superhumans. She has already dominated Sabretooth, killed Sinister, and handled an X-Men team composed of Thunderbird, Psylocke, Cicilia Reyes, Colossus, Rogue, and Nightcrawler. Then Wolverine comes onto the scene, and does this:
Here he goes up against 1800 Hand ninja, along with Elektra, and demolishes them, without getting scratched:
http://imgur.com/yR9KqCz
http://imgur.com/vjA8oxS
http://imgur.com/FFBi4Hc
http://imgur.com/hbLS3qX
http://imgur.com/vkOueDW
http://imgur.com/CbcMdy0If you think that the lack of a torn up uniform isn't evidence of not getting injured, then check out how this artist drew Wolverine when he was taking while he got:
Here Wolverine defeats Daredevil in five panels, taking one cheap shot to start the fight, then dominating from there.
http://imgur.com/9J6VhMO
http://imgur.com/HwlhFRxHere Wolverine faces off against, and forces onto the defensive, an Iron Fist more powerful and skilled than Danny Rand (Pre-Upgrade,):
http://imgur.com/vQJ2odE
http://imgur.com/ZLR6OVABut of course, who you can beat isn't everything (Otherwise I would have posted more scans of Ogun, Shingen, Shogun, Stick, Shang Chi, and Captain America.) So here are some instances of Wolverine's fighting knowledge.
In this scan, we learn about Wolverine's knowledge of "nerve clusters, crucial pressure points, where a blow can instantly paralyze someone, or kill."
It makes sense he'd know these, as he can "incapacitate, mobilize... maim and cripple a hundred different ways":
We see him put that knowledge to use here, while under Hydra's control in EOTS, against the Thing
And here we see him knee Captain America in the thigh, giving him a "Femoral artery pseudo-aneurism" that sends him to the hospital (though not immediately):
And of course, his most impressive to date, crumbling a chi-amping brick who "hits like the Thing, if the Thing was a ninth degree black belt and could kick you in the face ":
http://imgur.com/OoULqclj
http://imgur.com/iVAZkNIThe actual feat: http://imgur.com/UZCoSdY
You can also consider his knowledge and ability with joint locks. How about a small sampling for that?
http://imgur.com/wUOasqI
http://imgur.com/0yXeqhY
http://imgur.com/GWhPQw8Wolverine is dangerous, whether he can use his hands, or not:
http://imgur.com/cQlAYGC
http://imgur.com/31B6T5p
http://imgur.com/1cse0VQWolverine is also capable of attacking in several directions simultaneously:
http://imgur.com/M6605z5
http://imgur.com/7ID6Cso
http://imgur.com/2sR01RHOh yeah, and he can convince Hand ninja and Hydra soldiers, that he's Captain America - while using a trash can lid for a shield:
http://imgur.com/hC1CRJt
http://imgur.com/YNedqhw
http://imgur.com/PXsDJb6
http://imgur.com/ywTjh4GIf there are any lingering doubts about Wolverine's abilities as a martial artist, well, there's more where these came from. Until then, enjoy!
Originally posted by cdtm
Batman wins, with ease.The clot move is good, but doubt it would work if Cap wasn't open from nullifying the claws.
And Steve wouldn't get the chance to do that, if Wolverine wasn't open from nullifying his shield...
Two can can play this game, cd.
Post-Flashpoint Superman noted how the new Batman is not the old one. So DC bois should stop using the composite version that doesn't exist 😎
Originally posted by cdtm
And come on, Junzo Muto??I'm not even offended he brought that up as an Iron Fist fan. I'm offended as a comic book fan. That story was AWFUL.
Misty and Cage actually hit Junzo, they looked better then Logan. 😛
Logan had the decisive upper hand, as Iron Fist himself said.
And Junzo is just one name out of many. Murderous Lion got punked by Logan, too.
All those Immortal Weapons/K'un-Lun types are easy opponents.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. I look at the actual skill they displayed. Batman is far more skilled than Logan.2. I look at their history, and not 1 fight. You can have two peer fighters fight each other multiple times and each fighter will get a win. So beating someone in a fight doesn't necessarily mean you are better than them in general (just like with any sport).
3. Characters don't always fight at their best in comics. In other words, it can be a low showing for Shang Chi. Even Spider-man has had some shitty showings.
4. abc logic for skill comparison is faulty when it comes to characters from different universes why? Because we have no basis in which to compare. Why is Logan better than Batman? Because he beat Shang Chi. But Why is Shang Chi better than Batman? Because he defeated A. But why is A better than Batman? Because A defeated B. But why is B better than Batman? I can go on and on. There has to be a beginning basis (character X). But how would you compare that character X to Batman using abc logic if they never fought?
😂 😂 Batman has NEVER beaten ANY Actual A-lister LEGITIMATELY in a clean fight. EVER.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Logan had the decisive upper hand, as Iron Fist himself said.And Junzo is just one name out of many. Murderous Lion got punked by Logan, too.
All those Immortal Weapons/K'un-Lun types are easy opponents.
Yes, a spar. Compare to their fight.
And Rand was at a 3 anyways.
Spoiler:
I love how Logan gave absolutely no shits about his come back.
Originally posted by cdtm
Yes, a spar. Compare to their [b]fight.
A spar in front of their entire team.
No claws, no fist. Anything else was a fair game and Danny got bested.
Their first fight was written back when Wolverine had no martial arts background or even fully established powerset. And Danny looked like Beast trying to slow down the Juggernaut in that fight.
Originally posted by cdtm
And Rand was at a 3 anyways.Spoiler:
I love how Logan gave absolutely no shits about his come back.
Because it was obvious Danny was butthurt about losing 😛
Same as he's always butthurt about Daredevil and Shang-Chi being better than him.