CISLESS Surfer vs Thanos

Originally posted by h1a8
1. You are still arguing that since one attack couldn't ko BRB then infinitely many of the same attacks couldn't. That's faulty logic.

2. If Thanos has better durability feats the give some feats that prove why a board from behind traveling faster than light speed wouldn't affect him in the least. You can't use the fact that BRB wasn't koed (the board wasn't traveling faster than light necessarily). That's his feat alone.

3. Then Prove why a black hole put inside Thanos wouldn't kill or at least damage him.

1. It hardly damaged him and was ok to carry on fighting. You’re making it out to be more than it is. Troll.

2. We’ve never seen surfer use the board at light speed to attack so you saying he can is guess work. Thanos survived around 5 planet busting blasts consecutively which is far superior to a board to the back attack.

3.Surfer only did it to someone weaker than Thanos who was injured. You show him doing it to someone who is Thanos lvl of durability and not hurt. Like I’ve said countless times he survived a black hole closing on him, a blank hole above anything Surfer can create.

Why don’t you force once actually prove Surfer can hurt Thanos.

Originally posted by carver9
Evidence isn't needed on if Surfer is smart enough to use his powers. That's dumb. If he's shown that he CAN use it, then that ability is available to him. Don't get why people use speed as an always active power when Surfers abilities are always active as well.

Originally posted by h1a8
So you wanna troll now?

So you two's argument is that surfer will go esoteric and open black holes and insert singularities on a character thats the definition of tank who is high trans/low sky without proof..because you say so? I just want to see an example of him doing so to a character in his tier.

I only ask for a feat comparison. You could post examples of them facing similar opponents. You can post them durability comparisons etc..under their own power. It's just mindboggling to me how an attitude/mindset change would up a guys paygrade who has consistently underwhelmed in direct confrontations.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because he doesn't use his speed like Flash - who enters his speed mind and calculates all the ways he could win and then acts.

The one example I have seen h1 offer so far - against T&A - Surfer nearly died using an external source, as opposed to opening black holes or time travelling or lightspeed boards etc.

The one time we have seen him use his cosmic awareness to pinpoint his enemy's weakness, was against Glads IIRC. And even then, he didn't act.

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Dark is the worst person to quote on this. The worst. He never debates in character and ignores on panel showings.

Originally posted by carver9
Dark is the worst person to quote on this. The worst. He never debates in character and ignores on panel showings.

Yet here you are debating powerset with h1. Interesting

Am interested to know when I didn't debate in character......that's just trolling 🙁

Originally posted by carver9
Dark is the worst person to quote on this. The worst. He never debates in character and ignores on panel showings.

I bet this is news to DS

Originally posted by Sin I AM
So you two's argument is that surfer will go esoteric and open black holes and insert singularities on a character thats the definition of tank who is high trans/low sky without proof..because you say so? I just want to see an example of him doing so to a character in his tier.

I only ask for a feat comparison. You could post examples of them facing similar opponents. You can post them durability comparisons etc..under their own power. It's just mindboggling to me how an attitude/mindset change would up a guys paygrade who has consistently underwhelmed in direct confrontations.

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Sin we imagine the characters are real and can actually think. Of course Surfer isn't going to open up black holes in anyone from jump street. He would most likely blast and maneuver around. But once he sees that his blasts are ineffective then what do you think he will do? Surfer has MANY showings of using esoteric abilities when he needed to. He's not going to just sit there and blast forever knowing that his blasts are doing absolutely nothing. He has some form of common sense.

So is it possible for Surfer to use black holes and his board as a tactic when all else fails? Yes.
Will he do those things right away? No.

P.S. This thread was intended to be powerset Surfer vs. Thanos. I just named it wrong.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because he doesn't use his speed like Flash - who enters his speed mind and calculates all the ways he could win and then acts.

The one example I have seen h1 offer so far - against T&A - Surfer nearly died using an external source, as opposed to opening black holes or time travelling or lightspeed boards etc.

The one time we have seen him use his cosmic awareness to pinpoint his enemy's weakness, was against Glads IIRC. And even then, he didn't act.

Did he use his cosmic awareness for it?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Roldzy, next issue straight up says that Surfer fell back in time.

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You're trying to play word games here, Surfer at full power was getting torn apart by blackhole

More to the point, the abyss here is the primordial universe where Surfer found a planet.

You have been given an explanation as to why that happened Abby, You’ve got to follow thru man. Short version: His attention was divided and ended up having to save everyone from inside that dimensional rift by cutting space and time therefore he was unable to protect himself from inside the blackhole but even unprotected his physical now weakened body was able to withstand the gravitational force of that dimensional rift blackhole for years. Now the reason I posted the other blackhole feat, was to show that when his powers is directed into protecting himself to the gravitational force of a blackhole he was ok. Scan below.

https://i.imgur.com/MG2Cy2a_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

You really have it against Surfer hey Abby, to a point that your going against a clear narrative from the author as to his intention of that event.

https://imgur.com/gallery/SeRU00S

Read the above scan, he was “Floating” in space - a clear and distinct narration mentioned from its author. You’ve got to be lying and in denial of yourself there Abby, if you can’t see and comprehend that. And if that’s the case then it’s just no use in debating to you on this because you have not brought anything to the table except your own views of the event and no explanation as to why and as far, have shown no rebuttal to my claim.

Give up man! There is no shame in that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Did he use his cosmic awareness for it?

He did use it dough when he was inside the rift, you could call it fighting the blackhole.

https://m.imgur.com/RjJrA4c

He has use CA on more that a few occasions in battle; against Unilord
For example.

Originally posted by Ambient
Everyone who read the comics knows that the dimensional rift blackhole spit Surfer back in time to when the Universe was still in its primordial state however I fail to see this as having any relevancy to our discussion. 😕

You have been given an explanation as to why that happened Abby, You’ve got to follow thru man. Short version: His attention was divided and ended up having to save everyone from inside that dimensional rift by cutting space and time therefore he was unable to protect himself from inside the blackhole but even unprotected his physical now weakened body was able to withstand the gravitational force of that dimensional rift blackhole for years. Now the reason I posted the other blackhole feat, was to show that when his powers is directed into protecting himself to the gravitational force of a blackhole he was ok. Scan below.

https://i.imgur.com/MG2Cy2a_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

You really have it against Surfer hey Abby, to a point that your going against a clear narrative from the author as to his intention of that event.

https://imgur.com/gallery/SeRU00S

Read the above scan, he was “Floating” in space - a clear and distinct narration mentioned from its author. You’ve got to be lying and in denial of yourself there Abby, if you can’t see and comprehend that. And if that’s the case then it’s just no use in debating to you on this because you have not brought anything to the table except your own views of the event and no explanation as to why and as far, have shown no rebuttal to my claim.

Give up man! There is no shame in that.

He was continuing to get ripped apart when he tried to save the heroes. Its not like he gets less durable when he wants to save others.

No, it's a different portrayal. That writer felt like Surfer AND red shift both can survive a black hole. That can't explain Surfer getting ripped apart by Donny Cates.

You're as usual writing your own fanfiction. Here, Surfer is outright shown to be near a planet.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But I guess the planet was also inside the black hole.

B-B-but "floating in space", its a comics man. That's your grouch? That you can't fall in space?

He didn't get ripped, what are you on about?

He ate that shit and saved the guardians squad, He was WEAKENED after when he popped out

the whole point was that Surfer was overcoming the effects of the black hole

#readthecomic

SURFER resisted it, and STILL managed to save the guys

He said he was "unmade" but not done...:

He summoned his power cosmic , find the weak point and cause the fabric to tear and save the guys

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're again using your imagination. Surfer wasn't inside the black hole for years, he was falling into the primordial universe for years and healing.
He was continuing to get ripped apart when he tried to save the heroes. Its not like he gets less durable when he wants to save others.
No, it's a different portrayal. That writer felt like Surfer AND red shift both can survive a black hole. That can't explain Surfer getting ripped apart by Donny Cates.
You're as usual writing your own fanfiction. Here, Surfer is outright shown to be near a planet.

B-B-but "floating in space", its a comics man. That's your grouch? That you can't fall in space?

https://imgur.com/wmaCebv
https://imgur.com/gallery/CY1tooU

You can’t spin this the way you like man. It’s you who are going against the flow of the story, you have not given a single rebuttal against my claim towards the directors descriptive narration mention twice of Surfer staying a float in space.

Abby don’t just look at the scan, read it man! Hopefully you’ll get why I provided that as evidence to the explanation I’ve given. In short the reason why he survive without any physical harm against the gravitational force was his powers shielding him, as narrated and shown in art by the provided scan something that did not happen in SSB # 1 blackhole. So what I’m saying is that A Surfer fighting for himself with no one to worry, will have his powers shield him from the pressure of a blackhole therefore allowing him to survive in even horizon no problem.

Also, That's NOT no ordinary black hole
It was doing this. VERY Impressive:

Yeah it’s a dimensional rift Blackhole taken from the celestial tech, I presume.

Yeah proxima midnight shot it outta some kinda generator device.
The black hole also exploded reality, strands of it.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
He didn't get ripped, what are you on about?

He ate that shit and saved the guardians squad, He was WEAKENED after when he popped out

the whole point was that Surfer was overcoming the effects of the black hole

#readthecomic

Read the very first line.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
SURFER resisted it, and STILL managed to save the guys

He said he was "unmade" but not done...:

He summoned his power cosmic , find the weak point and cause the fabric to tear and save the guys