The murder of Ahmaud Arbery/All three perpetrators found guilty

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
even surt knows there was no cause for citizens arrest ffs

what do you get out of deliberately lying and gaslighting, besides a sticky hand? durwank

Try not to have an anyerism while performing those mental gymnastics to come up with new ways to strawman my point:

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is the correct take on the two key points of the case that does not confuse lawful pursuit with homicide:

1. That Arbery legit was casing the joint (thus, constituting a first degree burgle which is a felony). This provides lawful pursuit of Arbery if the McMichael's can prove they had first hand knowledge of the felony.

2. Arbery approached the McMichael's on the road and immediately attacked McMichael senior.

If 1 is not true, it's the bare minimum of involuntary manslaughter.

If 1 and 2 cannot be proven, it is voluntary manslaughter.

If both can be proven, they will be acquitted.

winkiss

is that your reward for lying and gaslighting, and fooling nobody? pretending that I'm mad? surely that can't be it

Justice Department launching investigation into Ahmaud Arbery's death as a hate crime, family's attorneys say -snip

Hoho-ho!

Hate Crime

noun

a crime, typically one involving violence, that is motivated by prejudice on the basis of race, religion, sexual orientation, or other grounds.

Originally posted by Robtard
Justice Department launching investigation into Ahmaud Arbery's death as a hate crime, family's attorneys say -snip

They don't need to investigate it. They can just look at this thread and see all the evidence that this is a hate-crime because of all the evidence we found and put into this very thread.

nice copout 👆 meanwhile...

probable cause for hate crime inquiry: confirmed

Another reminder there is still no evidence of a racial motive 🙂

Originally posted by Surtur
Another reminder there is still no evidence of a racial motive 🙂

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
nice copout 👆 meanwhile...

probable cause for hate crime inquiry: confirmed

👆

...unless arbery's attorney has trump's power to command the justice department to investigate things on a whim. does he?

Reality: Unless Arbery's attorneys are lying, the Justice Department has something which they believe could lead to Hate Crime charges, why they're pursuing it. Could it lead nowhere? Possibly.

Will there be mega coping from the KMC chapter of McMichael's shadow defenders if Hate Crimes are indeed found and levied.? Absolutely.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
nice copout 👆 meanwhile...

How is that a copout? Quite clearly, a solid case was built in this thread, by multiple people, over multiple pages, for why this is racist and qualifies as hate-crime.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
probable cause for hate crime inquiry: confirmed

"Probable Cause" applies to Justice Department investigations on whether or not something qualifies as a hate-crime?

Do you have a citation for that or is it just some people at the DoJ that can make a subjective decision on which cases they want to take a look at?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
...unless arbery's attorney has trump's power to command the justice department to investigate things on a whim. does he?

Yeah, I thought that is how things like this worked. It is not?

"On their whims" is how I thought they chose what to look into. Within reason, of course.

No they don't.

Originally posted by dadudemon
How is that a copout? Quite clearly, a solid case was built in this thread, by multiple people, over multiple pages, for why this is racist and qualifies as hate-crime.

"sarcasm, not sarcasm, sarcasm, not sarcasm, etc" k

Originally posted by dadudemon
"Probable Cause" applies to Justice Department investigations on whether or not something qualifies as a hate-crime?

Do you have a citation for that or is it just some people at the DoJ that can make a subjective decision on which cases they want to take a look at?

i don't need a citation. the justice department (is supposed to) investigate based on probable cause. they're not (supposed to be) in the business of investigating empty accusations with no cause to do, like a president saying "my intuition tells me that they did a bad thing. SIC EM, BARR!".

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah, I thought that is how things like this worked. It is not?

"On their whims" is how I thought they chose what to look into. Within reason, of course.

on the juctice department's whim, not arbery's lawyer's whim, as i clearly stated.

that's all the playtime i shall award you. reply with your expected double-down gaslighting and let's move on...

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
No they don't.

heh

I am browsing their site and sources. I don't see anything about probable cause or their methodology for when they choose to investigate (not prosecute) a case for hate-crime or not. After they investigate, they can determine whether or not it meets a standard for prosecuting as a hate-crime: still not a conviction.

Based on the DoJ's bumpy track record, not all clear hate-crimes get prosecuted as hate-crimes. It's quite clear there are two-heaping scoops of subjectivity involved in which cases get selected.

Edit - Oh, found another tidbit. The DoJ was already looking into this to determine whether or not it was a hate crime:

The Department of Justice has previously said it is reviewing the Arbery case to determine whether federal hate crime charges are appropriate.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ahmaud-arbery-killing-hate-crime-justice-department-investigation/

So their lawyer was likely restating something already known.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
"sarcasm, not sarcasm, sarcasm, not sarcasm, etc" k

Why so caustic? I thought we compiled quite the lengthy list for why this constituted a hate crime, in this thread. Did we not? If we didn't, why do you believe that?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i don't need a citation. the justice department (is supposed to) investigate based on probable cause. they're not (supposed to be) in the business of investigating empty accusations with no cause to do, like a president saying "my intuition tells me that they did a bad thing. SIC EM, BARR!".

I don't get it. I don't understand what you mean by probable cause and the DoJ looking into a case for whether or not something was a hate-crime.

I can tell you from the DoJ's own quoted words, this has part of what they said on the topic:

...The Department of Justice announced Monday it is "assessing all of the evidence to determine whether federal hate crimes charges are appropriate" in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery, a 25-year-old Georgia black man...

...

Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr tweeted that he made a formal request to the DOJ to investigate because the state is "committed to a complete and transparent review" of how Arbery's case was handled from the outset.

https://www.axios.com/ahmaud-arbery-killing-georgia-doj-investigation-6f9fb4df-16b6-45f0-8748-32a2a1b318d8.html

So it would appear the reason they are investigating this is due to the request made by the Georgia Attorney General. Is that what you mean by probable cause?

Notice the date on that is May 11th.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
on the juctice department's whim, not arbery's lawyer's whim, as i clearly stated.

Yes, that's what I said. I don't know why you're clarifying this.

interesting that the justice department was convinced that an investigation into hate crimes is warranted. i wonder what their decision was based on.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
interesting that the justice department was convinced that an investigation into hate crimes is warranted. i wonder what their decision was based on.

I got you, fam.

Here's the reason:

Originally posted by dadudemon
I can tell you from the DoJ's own quoted words, this has part of what they said on the topic:

...The Department of Justice announced Monday it is "assessing all of the evidence to determine whether federal hate crimes charges are appropriate" in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery, a 25-year-old Georgia black man...

...

Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr tweeted that he made a formal request to the DOJ to investigate because the state is "committed to a complete and transparent review" of how Arbery's case was handled from the outset.

https://www.axios.com/ahmaud-arbery-killing-georgia-doj-investigation-6f9fb4df-16b6-45f0-8748-32a2a1b318d8.html

... the reason they are investigating this is due to the request made by the Georgia Attorney General.

Originally posted by dadudemon
"assessing all of the evidence to determine whether federal hate crimes charges are appropriate"

but surt keeps insisting that no evidence of possible racial bias exists. how confusing.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
but surt keeps insisting that no evidence of possible racial bias exists. how confusing.

I'm with you, there:

Originally posted by dadudemon
I thought we compiled quite the lengthy list for why this constituted a hate crime, in this thread.

So this should be an open and shut investigation for why this is clearly a Hate-Crime. We have articles going back to May 11th on this DoJ Investigation (so they are likely to have started their investigation sooner). Why is it taking so long? We figured it out, among ourselves, in just a few days, right?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
but surt keeps insisting that no evidence of possible racial bias exists. how confusing.

And so far you haven't shown anything that challenges the statement.