Originally posted by RockydonovangImo, true "closeness" would be exactly what you mentioned: Anakin vs. Kenobi, or Palpatine vs. Yoda. Those were very close, grueling, and prolonged battles.
Maybe we have different definitions of decisive, but Vader wasn't presented an opportunity to kill or incapacitate ahsoka in like 2 and a half minuites of fighting. And even when vader's starts tiring her out, it comes after a minuite and a half where neither gain significant ground.Compare that to Anakin outright incapacitating dooku in like 20 seconds, and it's basically a marathon by comparison.
If there's isn't a degree of closeness from that fight, than what exactly constitutes closeness? Only examples of closer fights i can think off would be anakin vs kenobi and yoda vs sidious
Sure she's a prodigee, but her potential isn't as high as anakin's who, per the source you cited for having his potential undamaged, still had a higher potential than anyone who was in the order(which would include ahsoka).
So if as of tcw, she's far below anakin, shouldn't she be getting stomped as of rebels?
Ahsoka contended with Vader for under two minutes in round 1 of their battle, and just over a minute in round 2. Again, that's good --better than most other Jedi could have done against him-- but I wouldn't say that puts her close to his level by default. I mean, Barriss hung in there with Anakin for about 3 minutes during TCW, but I certainly wouldn't say that scales her to his level either. /shrug
That being said, it's also Filoni writing Ahsoka. The man cannot help but wank her every chance he gets, "logic" be damned. ermm
Originally posted by Galan007
Imo, true "closeness" would be exactly what you mentioned: Anakin vs. Kenobi, or Palpatine vs. Yoda. Those were very close, grueling, and prolonged battles.
Ahsoka contended with Vader for under two minutes in round 1 of their battle, and just over a minute in round 2.
Well I guess you could consider those two separate rounds.
I've seen it as one round with a slight intermission tho it'[s possible Ahsoka would have gown down earlier than otherwise without the break afforded to her via bfr. Even then, two miuites of continuous fighting is long when compared to most sw duels. IIRC, most of them last around a minuite.
Again, that's good --better than most other Jedi could have done against him-- but I wouldn't say that puts her close to his level by default. I mean, Barriss hung in there with Anakin for about 3 minutes during TCW, but I certainly wouldn't say that scales her to his level either. /shrug
There's a lot of dialogue and looking involved, but I think there's maybe a minuite of straight up fighting and it ends with anakin incapacitating her. To be fair, she is able to land some hits on anakin tho off course anakin does alot more to her.
Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm having a hard time finding a good frame of reference for the ahsoka vs vader duel. Luke's first fight vs vader is roughly as long but vader has luke at his mercy around 40 seconds in and was possibly toying with him.
Maybe there's a tcw fight between anakin and dooku that warrants comparison but i don't remember any of them approaching two minuites. 😬
Kenobi vs Maul in season 5 might be comparable. Kenobi had a clear advantage but he also didn't have a decisive opportunity... :hmmm:
That being said, it's also Filoni writing Ahsoka. The man cannot help but wank her every chance he gets, "logic" be damned. ermm
Originally posted by Rockydonovang👆
Yeah, ultimately, I think Ahsoka's written to scale to whoever she faces. Whether it be the 5th brother or Dark Sidious 😉
We can try to find 'logic' in it all we want, but I think this is really what it comes down to in the end.
In the same damn arc, Ahsoka starts of fighting the 5th Brother(who she didn't ragdoll -- hell, he lasted about 2 full minutes against her), then she bumps up to Maul(who she didn't ragdoll), then she bumps "light years" up the totem pole to Vader(who she preformed admirably against for longer than most could have.)
Not trying to use it as a copout, but Filoni clearly has his waifu on an absurd sliding scale, and just makes her as powerful as she needs to be in any given situation.