Originally posted by xPRIMEx
^are you assuming Ahsoka didn’t grow at all between TCW and Rebels?
She would have to have grown significantly just to be in the same tier as Maul. And she received no further training (as far as we know).
Also the official site implies Maul was still superior as of Rebels.
As for this S7 Maul is likely his peak for now. Guy was a dark side Force beast. And his Saber skill was back to Ray Park levels 😬
^ Should have been a smiley face at the end.
Also I wouldnt rank TPM Maul below Revival Maul. Although they are probably on a similar level. But TPM Maul was at the height of his physical combat training, showcased by him hunting (without his Saber) and physically grappling with Rathtars. Wheras Revival Maul was still in recovery from being being off the bench and basically in a straight jacket for 10+ years. Although those Chicken legs were pretty beastly, instantly dominating Opress.
She would have to have grown significantly just to be in the same tier as Maul.
And she received no further training (as far as we know).
Originally posted by Darth ThorAlso the official site implies Maul was still superior as of Rebels.
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Kanan agrees to split the group up, the logical choice pairing maul with the weakest of the jedi"
The quote doesn't say why maul should be put with ezra, so at this point, "maul>ahsoka" is merely an interpretation. I agree ezra's weakness can reasonably be used as an indication that maul is the best bet to "protect" ezra. But the why isn't clear here. I think if we're going to decide on a why, we should look at the context clues the quote provides us as well as what the source material shows us.
First lets look at the quote itself. Here's what comes after "weakest of the jedi."
"Maul instructs ezra to find the same strength inside him that is used by the sith. Fighting without mercy or remorse will make them victorious."
First, "strength" seems to be used in the context of what is "used by the sith": aggression. Secondly, the quote alludes to the fact that Maul fights "without mercy or remorse", providing us a rationale for why "maul was the logical choice."
With that out of the way, let's look at how Maul "protects Ezra", thereby affirming himself as the "logical choice."
https://youtu.be/Mbld0O1Dj_g?t=118
Firstly, Maul goads ezra into "using his strength". As a result Ezra starts driving the inqusitor back. This is an opponent that has consistently been potrayed as superior to ezra. Right off the bat we have a reason for maul being the logical choice that doesn't have anything to do with his power, with Maul's encouragement, Ezra stops being as weak.
https://youtu.be/Mbld0O1Dj_g?t=154
Secondly, Maul is willing to choke and kill his opponents off the bat. Let's compare that to Ahsoka:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpXNOz-hbgA
Ahsoka has the 5th brother dead to rights multiple times, and passes up on a chance to kill the 7th sister. Does this make her "weaker" than Maul? No, not in a sense that would apply to a 1 v1 fight. It does however make maul a more "logical choice" to pair with ezra since with Maul's willingness to choke and outright kill his enemies off the bat provides more secure protection than Ahsoka.
My interpretation is supported both by the context of the quote, and the corresponding source material the quote describes for us. Therefore I'd argue it's the most "logical choice." 😮
However, even if you don't accept that, what is clear is that the quote's meaning is up to interpretation, so in the absence of evidence that supports your interpretation of the quote(maul>ahsoka), you shouldn't use your interpretation as evidence.
You know what isn't up to interpretation? A vastly pre-prime ahsoka's contention with, what you just said, was Maul at his peak. Yes, even if you disregard the parity they display during their duel, Ahsoka can explicitly, by virtue of her own prowess, "compete on the same level" as Maul.
Originally posted by YousufKhan1212
Malachor has also been heavily implied to be a Dark Side nexus.
There is no specific dark side Nexus so far in Canon. Not the way they were in Legends where it amplifies the powers of dark siders only.
In fact If anything the one person who received a temporary Force amp on Malachor was Kanan. And hes a Jedi.
Now a more relevant point in the Rebels Ahsoka vs Maul fight would be that Maul was stranded there for Years, so is likely out of practice (again). But still the official site clearly indicates that he was still stronger than her.
Wow Rocky what a needlessly lengthy post in rebuttal to a couple of simple facts I stated.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Really? Because Filoni explicitly states that TCW Ahsoka "can compete on the level" of Maul. Why would she need to grow significantly to be in the same tier as someone she can already compete with?
Can compete by pushing her limits, and yet still being the inferior combatant, puts her in his league how?
What if Maul pushed his limits, then what? Witwer was of the opinion that Maul was unlikely to have been motivated enough in the fight to try his best, whilst Ahoska was fighting for Anakin.
We also know Maul wasn't even interested in killing Ahsoka "So the Apprentice needs a lesson"
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Well, canon says she's "vastly more skilled" as of Rebels.
Source and exact quote please. It's not that I don't trust you, but you do tend to make up your own head canon based on vague commentary.
In any case, if her skill had vastly improved, that would only further prove that Maul was vastly more skilled than her as of S7, given we saw them fight in Rebels, and there was clearly no Significant differential in skill either way.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Does it? Here's what the quote says:The quote doesn't say why maul should be put with ezra, so at this point, "maul>ahsoka" is merely an interpretation. I agree ezra's weakness can reasonably be used as an indication that maul is the best bet to "protect" ezra. But the why isn't clear here. I think if we're going to decide on a why, we should look at the context clues the quote provides us as well as what the source material shows us.
First lets look at the quote itself. Here's what comes after "weakest of the jedi."
First, "strength" seems to be used in the context of what is "used by the sith": aggression. Secondly, the quote alludes to the fact that Maul fights "without mercy or remorse", providing us a rationale for why "maul was the logical choice."
With that out of the way, let's look at how Maul "protects Ezra", thereby affirming himself as the "logical choice."
https://youtu.be/Mbld0O1Dj_g?t=118Firstly, Maul goads ezra into "using his strength". As a result Ezra starts driving the inqusitor back. This is an opponent that has consistently been potrayed as superior to ezra. Right off the bat we have a reason for maul being the logical choice that doesn't have anything to do with his power, with Maul's encouragement, Ezra stops being as weak.
https://youtu.be/Mbld0O1Dj_g?t=154
Secondly, Maul is willing to choke and kill his opponents off the bat. Let's compare that to Ahsoka:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpXNOz-hbgAAhsoka has the 5th brother dead to rights multiple times, and passes up on a chance to kill the 7th sister. Does this make her "weaker" than Maul? No, not in a sense that would apply to a 1 v1 fight. It does however make maul a more "logical choice" to pair with ezra since with Maul's willingness to choke and outright kill his enemies off the bat provides more secure protection than Ahsoka.
My interpretation is supported both by the context of the quote, and the corresponding source material the quote describes for us. Therefore I'd argue it's the most "logical choice." 😮
However, even if you don't accept that, what is clear is that the quote's meaning is up to interpretation, so in the absence of evidence that supports your interpretation of the quote(maul>ahsoka), you shouldn't use your interpretation as evidence.
You know what isn't up to interpretation? A vastly pre-prime ahsoka's contention with, what you just said, was Maul at his peak. Yes, even if you disregard the parity they display during their duel, Ahsoka can explicitly, by virtue of her own prowess, "compete on the same level" as Maul.
The quote was self explanatory. You are overthinking it because you don't like it. Simple as.
Strongest paired with Weakest is the logical choice. Pretty simple really.
Originally posted by Darth Thor We also know Maul wasn't even interested in killing Ahsoka "So the Apprentice needs a lesson"
You're aware Ahsoka has the express purpose of capturing maul for interrogation on coruscant?
she was at her upper limit
Yoda was at his upper limit before losing to Sidious. We still know he is in sidious's leagues because he can --compete on his level--.
there was no "noticeable skill gap"
Originally posted by Darth ThorThe quote was self explanatory. [/B]
Okay then, cite the part that says maul is more stronger or more powerful than ahsoka.
Since it's self-explanatory, you are only allowed to use what it's in the quote.
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This, for example, isn't in the quote.
Strongest paired with Weakest is the logical choice.