Tier of the most powerful people in Canon (see details)
Besides the Mortiff family who are the most powerful beings ranked (ie top 10 etc ?
I get confused was it Sidious then Rey , Kylo Ren, then snoke etc ?
Was Sidious and amped Rey( with all the jedi etc) equal ( because they seemed even as they both died at the same time then Rey revived by Kylo etc?
Yeah, there are quite a few threads like this.
But excluding the Mortis Gods, and characters with one-off/"moment of need" amps(like 'omni-Jedi' Rey), I think a current list would look something like this:
1.) RoS Palpatine: Kylo stated that he was more powerful than anyone he had ever encountered(which automatically scales him above Luke/Snoke)... And that was when Palpatine was still in his rotting clone body. Yes, Palpatine was amped with the the power of all the Sith, but unlike Rey's amp, Palpatine's didn't seem to be temporary -- he had evidentially been in possession of that power for some time, and had made it his own.
2.) Post-RotJ/ST-era Luke: Was already Vader's equal in RotJ. He then spent yearS scouring the galaxy for any Jedi-related material he could get his hands on -- including Jocasta Nu's cache, as well as the High Republic vault. He also studied the ancient texts, and communed with the spirits of Kenobi, Yoda, and Anakin. Moreover, he was implied to be > Snoke.
3.) Snoke: Luke implied that his "dark side mastery" was equal to [RotJ] Palpatine's. But his placement on the list could vary, depending on how you think that would translate to a battle scenario.
4.) Peak Vader: Nothing in canon suggests that his power did anything but increase in the years following RotS.
5.) Yoda: Nearly equal to RotS Palpatine, and generally regarded as the most powerful Jedi in history up to that point.
6.) Mace: Dubious as it may be, his saber battle with Palpatine still warrants him being on the list.
7.) Rebels Ahsoka: she was already in Maul's tier when she was 17 years old. She then spent the next 15 years furthering her power/skill, and was able to preform well against Vader(who is "light years" above the likes of Dooku and Maul.)
8.) DD Vos: He was ~/> Dooku.
9.) Dooku: Obvious reasons.
10.) Kenobi: Obvious reasons.
If we were to rank Kylo and Rey based on some of their feats and implied power, then they'd probably be around Vader-level, give or take.
You could also throw Bendu on the list, but his placement would depend how literally you take Vader's statement that Palpatine was still far more powerful.
Excluding entities and temporary amps:
1. ROS Sidious: by far the best feats in canon. Kylo thinks Sidious>Luke
2. Prime Luke: scaling from Vader, implied superiority over Snoke
3. Vader: some of the best TK feats in canon, strong evidence that he increased in power after ROTS and surpassed Anakin. Also, more powerfull than Dooku and Maul by "light years".
4. Yoda: In the same tier as ROTS Sidious. The most powerful jedi who ever lived up until his time acording to "Journey to Star Wars: The Last Jedi - The Power of the Force"
5. Snoke: Implied to have ROTJ Palpatine level mastery over the dark side. He could be 3rd if not for the fact is is a cripple
6. Windu: Mostly because of his fight with Sidious and holistic portayal.
7/8/9. Dooku: He gave Yoda a decent fight. Impressive performance against TCW Anakin and Kenobi on Oba Diah.
7/8/9. Rebels Ahsoka: She gave a decent fight to Vader. Even factoring "Filoni force" this is still impressive. Also can compete with TCW Maul before growing vastly in skill.
7/8/9. Kenobi: His performance against Mustafar Anakin was very impressive, even if he had some circumstances.
10. Kylo: He is clearly meant to be powerful. Also nice tk feats. In his case there is a lot of eyeballing involved as he has no direct link with characters from other eras aside of stomping the KOR who are vaguely comparable with the inquisitors.
11. Vos: Defeated Dooku but he had a style advantage iirc. Also, superiority over Ventress.
12. TCW Maul: Good TK feats, parity with late TCW Kenobi. Not sure where i rank Rebels Maul
13. Rey: Can compete with Kylo. Huge raw power.
Honorable mentions: Ventress, Grievous, Karbin, Savage, Koth, Momin
Characters like Plagueis, Bane or Revan are probably very powerfull but we don't know anything about them in canon.
Talzin (when not on Dathomir) and Bendu are too hard to rank.
Pre suit Vader/Anakin would be around Windu's level.
I think yall placing Ahsoka way too high. Theres no reason to place her above Maul. And the official site still indicates he was stronger than her as of Rebels, hence him being the logical to partner with Ezra.
Also wheres this quote from about her having Vastly improved since S7?
In any case placing her above both Peak Vos and Peak Kenobi is completely unearned IMO.
^^agreed. Aniway:
1)RoS Rey (she has the power of ALL Jedi)
2)RoS Palpatine (same as above but replace Jedi with Sith)
3)Luke Skywalker (Stronger than Snoke, who should be ~RotJ Sid)
4)Snoke (stated to be ~RotJ Sid by Luke)
5)Yodel (slightly weaker than RoTS Sid, had more midichlorians than any Jedi except Anakin)
6)Darth Vader (hype has him pretty high)
7)Windu (held his own against Sid)
8)Vos (defeated Dooku, stated to be stronger than Ventress by dooku, states to be stronger than Krell by Windu etc)
9)Dooku (held his own against AoTC dooku, stalemated DD Anakin, a few months before Rots)
10)Kenobi (defeated Maul and Anakin)
11)Maul (killed Qui Gon, occasionally bested TCW Obi Wan)
12)Ahhhsoka (outsmarted Maul, but Filoni stated she is weaker than him)
13)Kylo Ren (pretty strong, but he only ever fought Rey and weak ass clowns of Ren)
14)Assajj Ventress (defeated Grevious, fought equally against several powerful Jedi like Anakin or Obi wan)
15)Savage Oppress (Killed Adi Gallia after a short fight, Gallia held her own against Grevious)
16)General Grevious (killed hundreds of Jedi)
17)Lord Momin (defeated a weakened Vader)
18) Kit Fisto (defeated a pre-prime Grevious)
19) Bong Krell (mauled several clones)
20) Depa Bilabba(held her own against 19 BBY Grevious)
Not sure where to place off-Dathomir Talzin
Originally posted by Total Warrior
^^agreed. Aniway:1)RoS Rey (she has the power of ALL Jedi)
2)RoS Palpatine (same as above but replace Jedi with Sith)
3)Luke Skywalker (Stronger than Snoke, who should be ~RotJ Sid)
4)Snoke (stated to be ~RotJ Sid by Luke)
5)Yodel (slightly weaker than RoTS Sid, had more midichlorians than any Jedi except Anakin)
6)Darth Vader (hype has him pretty high)
7)Windu (held his own against Sid)
8)Vos (defeated Dooku, stated to be stronger than Ventress by dooku, states to be stronger than Krell by Windu etc)
9)Dooku (held his own against AoTC dooku, stalemated DD Anakin, a few months before Rots)
10)Kenobi (defeated Maul and Anakin)
11)Maul (killed Qui Gon, occasionally bested TCW Obi Wan)
12)Ahhhsoka (outsmarted Maul, but Filoni stated she is weaker than him)
13)Kylo Ren (pretty strong, but he only ever fought Rey and weak ass clowns of Ren)
14)Assajj Ventress (defeated Grevious, fought equally against several powerful Jedi like Anakin or Obi wan)
15)Savage Oppress (Killed Adi Gallia after a short fight, Gallia held her own against Grevious)
16)General Grevious (killed hundreds of Jedi)
17)Lord Momin (defeated a weakened Vader)
18) Kit Fisto (defeated a pre-prime Grevious)
19) Bong Krell (mauled several clones)
20) Depa Bilabba(held her own against 19 BBY Grevious)Not sure where to place off-Dathomir Talzin
Cool how did Vos defeat dooku in canon exactly ?
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I think yall placing Ahsoka way too high. Theres no reason to place her above Maul. And the official site still indicates he was stronger than her as of Rebels, hence him being the logical to partner with Ezra.Also wheres this quote from about her having Vastly improved since S7?
In any case placing her above both Peak Vos and Peak Kenobi is completely unearned IMO.
Ahsoka's lightsaber skills. Also where does the official site say he was stronger. I feel like it's a bit weird for Maul's saber skills to have significantly improved, however force growth sounds quite reasonable to me.
Originally posted by UnbowedSeemed to be the indication here, imo:
Where was Luke's superiority over Snoke "implied"?
Snoke also stated that he both respects and fears Luke:
https://i.imgur.com/4W8CuKQ.jpg
And you could argue that if Snoke were more powerful than Luke, he'd have nothing to fear from him.
Just my two cents. /shrug
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I think yall placing Ahsoka way too high. Theres no reason to place her above Maul. And the official site still indicates he was stronger than her as of Rebels, hence him being the logical to partner with Ezra.
Here's an example of how to support an interpretation with evidence:
USING CONTEXT OFFERED BY A QUOTE
"Maul instructs ezra to find the same strength inside him that is used by the sith. Fighting without mercy or remorse will make them victorious."
Both of these interpretations are valid and do not require maul to be more powerful than ahsoka.
USING CORRESPONDING SOURCE MATERIAL
https://youtu.be/Mbld0O1Dj_g?t=154
The linked scene has Maul 'protecting' Ezra by encouraging him to use his aggression(heeey, that's from the quote!!!!). This aggression allows ezra to drive the 7th sister back. This scene also has Maul 'protect ezra' by force choking the seventh sister when she's preoccupied with ezra, this is also an example of aggression(from the quote!!!)/
Do either indicate superiority to Ahsoka?
https://youtu.be/04V0nS8AP2g?t=81
"Ahsoka was never really in jeopardy, Ahsoka, in that fight"Dave Feloni, The Padawan Lives
No, not really. My interpretation seems to be backed up by both the quote itself and the relevant source material. Regardless lets finish this with...
using information related to the material
1. Ahsoka can "compete on maul's level" prior to becoming "vastly more skilled" in ROTS both per Filoni and on screen contention.
2. Ahsoka engaged Vader, someone who is "light years" ahead of maul and offered him no opportunity to kill her in 2 and a half minuites of fighting. Vader also is more powerful than anakin, someone who, according to ahsoka, maul was "Lucky" not to be facing. It's worth noting, Ahsoka last saw Anakin in season 5 before he grew "vastly more powerful." Is Maul outclassed by a vastly pre-prime anakin?
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3. Ahsoka was able to defend for a bit against one of palpatine's force attacks. Someone we know is more powerful than he was in ROTS back when he was stomping maul in a 1 v2 while toying with him. Palps is also more powerful than vader who is "light years" ahead of Maul.
If we accept your interpretation, one you have yet to provide any proof for, Maul is --superior-- to someone who holds her own against opponents he is utterly outclassed by and who was a near equal of his vastly before her prime.
That doesn't make much sense. Unless you can provide --at a minumum--stronger evidence for your interpretation than one could provide for plausible alternatives, we should dismiss it.
Claiming your opinion is "self-evident" isn't going to cut it.
Originally posted by Scizard
https://prnt.sc/sl0qxhAhsoka's lightsaber skills. Also where does the official site say he was stronger.
You might notice how Thor doesn't even bother addressing my rebuttal.
I wonder why....
