No tiering for Star Wars characters?

I was looking through the KMC comic tiers and didn’t see any notable Star Wars characters. While they’re not as durable as most of the Marvel/DC bricks or anything their force abilities would catapult them well beyond street and into meta tier

Is there any reason why they’re not on the list??

the list would get too long and messy, after star wars, then people want other fictions

kmc is an extremely old website, we can't make characters profile here. so tiering is just long written lists. we are not big sites like vsbattles or comicvine

even though our tiering is infinitely more accurate than vsbattles due to superior knowledge

Pretty much.

As much as I would personally like to try and rank SW characters, it opens things up to the cross-genre side of the spectrum a bit too much.

I've always seen Jedis/Sith to range between low meta to high meta. Possibly low herald but that's a push.

There’s also a lingering issue, unlikely to be resolved, that we don’t really know how the Force translates to the tiers.

Can characters who can resist tp or block tk resist/block force manipulation?

We’re unlikely to get an answer which makes tier placement hard. The more that Jedi powers look like their own special thing, the more hax they are, the higher Jedis/Sith place in the tiers. We can compensate for that ambiguity in individual matchups, but not with sufficient accuracy for the tiers.

Originally posted by Smurph
There’s also a lingering issue, unlikely to be resolved, that we don’t really know how the Force translates to the tiers.

Can characters who can resist tp or block tk resist/block force manipulation?

We’re unlikely to get an answer which makes tier placement hard. The more that Jedi powers look like their own special thing, the more hax they are, the higher Jedis/Sith place in the tiers. We can compensate for that ambiguity in individual matchups, but not with sufficient accuracy for the tiers.

Yes, anyone who can resist telepathy or telekinesis can resist/block the Force manipulations that manifest as telepathy or telekinesis and I have no idea why anyone would think otherwise.

The manifestation of a power should only be treated as differently due to its source if there are other examples of the manifestation in-universe and the ones from that source are in fact treated differently.

All I know is, I am the champion of the low meta tier with Obi.

The biggest problem I have with Star Wars tiering is that, while comics are very strict about "no, you have to use the 616 version of Spider-Man" which is only ever printed in one medium, with Star Wars, you have to include comics, movies and books.

I'm not saying you can't reconcile an average from three different sources. I just don't think it's particularly easy. Plus, there are things like how much PIS benefits someone like Ahsoka.

Yeah. I mean, when it came to the BZ as an example (honestly not tooting my own horn here), I was using sources like the books with little screen grabs of the text. That would really mess things up, especially as there's no real way to verify if I'm just posting shit.

For example:

Omg Obi has nanosecond reactions! Who would check?

Yeah, pretty much. 👆

Jedi in movies: Nearly dies by lava.

Also Jedi in other canon mediums written by fanboy writers: Black Hole level!!@11

Originally posted by -Pr-
The biggest problem I have with Star Wars tiering is that, while comics are very strict about "no, you have to use the 616 version of Spider-Man" which is only ever printed in one medium, with Star Wars, you have to include comics, movies and books.

I'm not saying you can't reconcile an average from three different sources. I just don't think it's particularly easy. Plus, there are things like how much PIS benefits someone like Ahsoka.

In comic debates, we use what happened on panel only. Handbooks can only be used to corroborate what's on panel, but that's about the only time they matter... And obviously TV shows and writer comments are worthless.

It's the complete opposite in SW. As long as the info doesn't directly contradict the movies, everything is canon. So the movies, novels, comics, YouTube shorts, TV shows, guidebook entries, and even Twitter comments(from members of the Lucasfilm Storygroup) are all canon, and all have to be considered when discussing the characters.

That would make a lot of heads explode here, me thinks.

The new canon is pretty easy to understand, though.

Unlike the pre-Disney one.

It's way easy to understand: all material is on equal footing in terms of canonicity. Everything published is just as canon as the movies.

The 'levels of canon' BS they had in Legends was always so damn stupid to me.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Jedi in movies: Nearly dies by lava.

Also Jedi in other canon mediums written by fanboy writers: Black Hole level!!@11

All of the comic companies have glass cannons though. Physical toughness has never been an issue for placing them within a tier. Just saying.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, SW is so much different than comics in terms of 'what counts'.

In comic debates, we use what happened on panel only. Handbooks can only be used to corroborate what's on panel, but that's about the only time they matter... And obviously TV shows and writer comments are worthless.

It's the complete opposite in SW. As long as the info doesn't directly contradict the movies, everything is canon. So the movies, novels, comics, YouTube shorts, TV shows, guidebook entries, and even Twitter comments(from members of the Lucasfilm Storygroup) are all canon, and all have to be considered when discussing the characters.

That would make a lot of heads explode here, me thinks.

That's crazy. I didn't know they were doing that now. I mean, Star Trek did something similar too with its novels and comics, so it's not a new concept to me, but still.

It's been working rather well so far.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Yes, anyone who can resist telepathy or telekinesis can resist/block the Force manipulations that manifest as telepathy or telekinesis and I have no idea why anyone would think otherwise.

The manifestation of a power should only be treated as differently due to its source if there are other examples of the manifestation in-universe and the ones from that source are in fact treated differently.

Because manifesting as TP doesn't make it TP.

Like with Max Lords power in classic JLI. He nudged minds with some effort and a nosebleed, so must be tp right?

Only he affected Martian Manhunter without any awareness of being manipulated. Max was far from super powerful at the time, he simply went through J'onn's defenses like they didn't exist. Suggesting it is something other then TP.

And for the record, Star Wars legends canon did have non force tp. Spice gave people that ability, which is why smugglers ran it.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's been working rather well so far.

Have you not seen the arguments over CW Maul? Well is not the word I'd use.

Originally posted by cdtm
Because manifesting as TP doesn't make it TP.

Like with Max Lords power in classic JLI. He nudged minds with some effort and a nosebleed, so must be tp right?

Only he affected Martian Manhunter without any awareness of being manipulated. Max was far from super powerful at the time, he simply went through J'onn's defenses like they didn't exist. Suggesting it is something other then TP.

And for the record, Star Wars legends canon did have non force tp. Spice gave people that ability, which is why smugglers ran it.

Plus, the Force doesn't really work on others outside the SW galaxy. And that's not a "oh the Speed Force is DC only" type argument, but is a specific weakness to Jedi/Force sensitives.