That sounds like a catchphrase one might hear on some uninformed internet site. I'm not sure if you are interested in a discussion about the actions of Stalin in the lead up to and during World War 2, it surely is fascinating. Needless to say that Antifa as a movement in Europe or America does not parallel this in any way.
Originally posted by ArtolSure, Jan. Antifa are just peachy. No ulterior motive to their actions at all. Definitely something we should let grow without any concern or suspicion. Nothing could possibly go wrong.
That sounds like a catchphrase one might hear on some uninformed internet site. I'm not sure if you are interested in a discussion about the actions of Stalin in the lead up to and during World War 2, it surely is fascinating. Needless to say that Antifa as a movement in Europe or America does not parallel this in any way.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Anyone who thinks ANTIFA are actually truly anti-fascists as they claim to be needs to wake the f*** up.Perhaps they behave differently in Europe than they do here in the US but I kinda doubt it.
VICE did some documentaries on ANTIFA in Europe (years ago) and they were militant , to the effect of breaking into homes and destroying/trashing things to make their points.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnaeI've met a number of Antifa types here in the UK. Luckily, they're all scrawny vegan middle-class hipsters with very little follow-through. However, if we did actually get a serious fascist problem (which has happened in the UK from time to time), that means we'd have nobody worthwhile to actually combat them.
Anyone who thinks ANTIFA are actually truly anti-fascists as they claim to be needs to wake the f*** up.Perhaps they behave differently in Europe than they do here in the US but I kinda doubt it.
Originally posted by Scribblein the seventies eighties and nineties running battles occured. Look up Blair Peach.
I've met a number of Antifa types here in the UK. Luckily, they're all scrawny vegan middle-class hipsters with very little follow-through. However, if we did actually get a serious fascist problem (which has happened in the UK from time to time), that means we'd have nobody worthwhile to actually combat them.
Originally posted by Scribble
Sure, Jan. Antifa are just peachy. No ulterior motive to their actions at all. Definitely something we should let grow without any concern or suspicion. Nothing could possibly go wrong.
Leaving aside that that is clearly not what I said, I don't think there is a danger of that, the intelligence agencies of Western countries are what is sometimes referred to as "blind on the right eye", they spend excessive amount of resources on monitoring and fighting perceived left extremism (you said it yourself, you think most of them are pathetic vegan hippies) and muslim extremism, while ignoring right wing domestic extremism.
Originally posted by Scribble
I've met a number of Antifa types here in the UK. Luckily, they're all scrawny vegan middle-class hipsters with very little follow-through. However, if we did actually get a serious fascist problem (which has happened in the UK from time to time), that means we'd have nobody worthwhile to actually combat them.
That pretty much describes the members here in the US as well: scrawny, cowardly, etc... I think most of them spend most of their time in their mommies' basement eager for the chance when they finally get to go outside and tear shit up and burn stuff down all while pathetically pretending they're saving the world from actual nazis but of course doing it by behaving like nazis themselves lol.
They're quite pathetic individually but in large numbers they can do real damage.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!I know the histories and I know Blair Peach. Anti-fascist activity in the UK has a long history. My parents were on the frontlines of it.
in the seventies eighties and nineties running battles occured. Look up Blair Peach.
Actual anti-fascist groups are necessary in countries with genuine fascist threats.
Originally posted by ArtolI think I mostly agree with what you're saying there. America does often seem able to conveniently downplay their contemporary issues with domestic right-wing extremist factions.
Leaving aside that that is clearly not what I said, I don't think there is a danger of that, the intelligence agencies of Western countries are what is sometimes referred to as "blind on the right eye", they spend excessive amount of resources on monitoring and fighting perceived left extremism (you said it yourself, you think most of them are pathetic vegan hippies) and muslim extremism, while ignoring right wing domestic extremism.
I assume when you say "far right extremist factions" that you're actually referring to the "alt-right". They're not really the same thing despite how much those on the left want to pretend that they are.
And no , the truly alt-right racist factions are not downplayed in the US because there isn't much to downplay. They're a friggin' joke.
You could probably fit all of those who're truly alt-right (not everyone those on the moronic left label as alt-right) in this country inside a small gymnasium. Antifa is much larger and more dangerous.
Originally posted by ScribbleAs was I in the eighties, I suspect your parents and I would get along.
I know the histories and I know Blair Peach. Anti-fascist activity in the UK has a long history. My parents were on the frontlines of it.Actual anti-fascist groups are necessary in countries with genuine fascist threats.
I think I mostly agree with what you're saying there. America does often seem able to conveniently downplay their contemporary issues with domestic right-wing extremist factions.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!Funnily enough, you do sometimes remind me of a mix of their personalities haermm and I mean that in a good way. I clash with my parents, but they're good peeps. Must be a generational thing.
As was I in the eighties, I suspect your parents and I would get along.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
speaking of stalin, stalin referred to the press as "enemy of the people". just throwing that out there for no particular reason 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemon
Hitler supposedly liked painting so anyone who likes painting or paintings is going to kill millions of people and especially jews.Please join me with 1/3 of Americans who view the Media as the Enemy of the People:
Also, you're too old for it but a majority of millennials view the Media as the enemy of the people at a comfortable 62%. But the gate is open, come in: we correctly see the media as the enemy of the people.