The Big Picture, Inequality in America

Started by Artol2 pages

Originally posted by snowdragon
As single family households increased black poverty increased (we see this to be true for all families regardless of race.) As I mentioned the unitended consequinces of the benevolent govt welfare programs didn't help:

https://atlantablackstar.com/2014/12/24/ways-war-poverty-destroyed-black-fatherhood/

On the topic of first generation blacks and earnings Pew did a study:

To put that into the perspective overall:

Looks like asians took the gold medal:

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/04/09/chapter-1-statistical-portrait-of-the-u-s-black-immigrant-population/

Pick through that anyway you'd like, that still shows us that married families = FAR greater success and you can't legislate that, hence gotta start at the home and then look to provide things like UBI etc at the sametime.

I feel like I preemptively gave explanations for these phenomenon. So just to repeat:

I believe that single parent households and poverty is correlated, not that single parity households directly cause poverty, except in the very trivial way that of course two incomes are bigger than one, but you clearly don't have to be in poverty if you live in a single parent household, so there must be configurations that would lift people in single parent households out of poverty. I would also look at what might be reasons that it has been harder to form two parent households, one explanation may lie in the American incarceration crisis, that puts so many black men into prisons.

As for Immigrant Black incomes, they can alternatively be explained by the slightly smaller structural problems they face than native born Black Americans, the selection of immigrants as higher educated. None of the things you quoted suggest that individual choices rather than socio-economic explanations are a significant part in the outcomes we can observe.

Originally posted by Artol
I feel like I preemptively gave explanations for these phenomenon. So just to repeat:

I believe that [b]single parent households and poverty is correlated, not that single parity households directly cause poverty, except in the very trivial way that of course two incomes are bigger than one, but you clearly don't have to be in poverty if you live in a single parent household, so there must be configurations that would lift people in single parent households out of poverty.

As for Immigrant Black incomes, they can alternatively be explained by the slightly smaller structural problems they face than native born Black Americans, the selection of immigrants as higher educated. None of the things you quoted suggest that individual choices rathe than socio-economic explanations are a significant part in the outcomes we can observe. [/B]

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Originally posted by snowdragon
As single family households increased black poverty increased (we see this to be true for all families regardless of race.) As I mentioned the unitended consequinces of the benevolent govt welfare programs didn't help:

https://atlantablackstar.com/2014/12/24/ways-war-poverty-destroyed-black-fatherhood/

On the topic of first generation blacks and earnings Pew did a study:

To put that into the perspective overall:

Looks like asians took the gold medal:

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/04/09/chapter-1-statistical-portrait-of-the-u-s-black-immigrant-population/

Pick through that anyway you'd like, that still shows us that married families = FAR greater success and you can't legislate that, hence gotta start at the home and then look to provide things like UBI etc at the sametime.

Originally posted by Artol
Yeah, I mean I don't want to underestimate the power that Religions and Socialization played in the 50s. And I'm sure laws that incentivized traditional marriages played their part as well. But I guess I have three main issues with it 1) I don't think its demise was the cause for poverty, 2) it came with a can of worms that rightly and morally we did leave behind and 3) even if we wanted to, we could not return to this mindset at this point in world history, and trying would be incredibly costly.

Both of you should be familiar with my stance on this topic and how buttmad it makes me.

The second worst thing the US did black Americans is the decisions and policies that came after the American Civil Rights Movement. The obvious worst thing is slavery.

What do both of you think of the following two solutions (both must be implemented):

1. A true universal healthcare solution a la Medicare for All (but with affordable copays).

2. A Universal Basic Income that has a base of $1500 a month but can adjust for the government per diem percentages based on locality (the government already has a per diem schedule out there so we don't need to come up with a separate stand of living calculator).

Part of #1 should be free contraceptives, free reproductive education, and decriminalizing drug us (end the Drug War) and treating it like the medical and mental health condition is it.

I've discussed these things with you for many pages in the past, I agree with those positions, I supported Andrew Yang.......compassionate capitalism focusing on humans and not stock market analysis for determing the success of the usa's system of govt and economics.

AND I also want our police to stop being a paramilitary unit in the USA, train to protect and serve first and get rid of alot of the military style weapons and vehicles.

Originally posted by snowdragon
I've discussed these things with you for many pages in the past, I agree with those positions, I supported Andrew Yang.......compassionate capitalism focusing on humans and not stock market analysis for determing the success of the usa's system of govt and economics.

Nice. And, yes, those discussions with you specifically helped me mature my position about Medicare for All such as affordable copays (not "free, no copay healthcare). 👆

Originally posted by dadudemon
Both of you should be familiar with my stance on this topic and how buttmad it makes me.

The second worst thing the US did black Americans is the decisions and policies that came after the American Civil Rights Movement. The obvious worst thing is slavery.

What do both of you think of the following two solutions (both must be implemented):

1. A true universal healthcare solution a la Medicare for All (but with affordable copays).

2. A Universal Basic Income that has a base of $1500 a month but can adjust for the government per diem percentages based on locality (the government already has a per diem schedule out there so we don't need to come up with a separate stand of living calculator).

Part of #1 should be free contraceptives, free reproductive education, and decriminalizing drug us (end the Drug War) and treating it like the medical and mental health condition is it.

Originally posted by snowdragon
I've discussed these things with you for many pages in the past, I agree with those positions, I supported Andrew Yang.......compassionate capitalism focusing on humans and not stock market analysis for determing the success of the usa's system of govt and economics.

AND I also want our police to stop being a paramilitary unit in the USA, train to protect and serve first and get rid of alot of the military style weapons and vehicles.

Yeah, I agree with all of these suggestions as well.