Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
I wonder what is going to happen to Alec Baldwin now. Manslaughter charges, perhaps? At the very least there will be civil lawsuits filed.
A good point I heard: What was he even doing pointing at the director?
Normally you point props at other actors. Unless he wasn't the target but just happened to be in the wrong place.
Originally posted by cdtm
A good point I heard: What was he even doing pointing at the director?Normally you point props at other actors. Unless he wasn't the target but just happened to be in the wrong place.
"But it wasn't. When Baldwin pulled the trigger, he unwittingly killed 42-year-old cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounded director Joel Souza, who was standing behind her inside a wooden, chapel-like building."
"Steven Hall, a veteran director of photography in Britain. But he said one of the riskiest positions to be in is behind the camera because that person is in the line of fire in scenes where an actor appears to point a gun at the audience."
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/23/1048750191/rust-alec-baldwin-set-shooting
Originally posted by Raptor22
"But it wasn't. When Baldwin pulled the trigger, he unwittingly killed 42-year-old cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounded director Joel Souza, who was standing behind her inside a wooden, chapel-like building.""Steven Hall, a veteran director of photography in Britain. But he said one of the riskiest positions to be in is behind the camera because that person is in the line of fire in scenes where an actor appears to point a gun at the audience."
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/23/1048750191/rust-alec-baldwin-set-shooting
Ah, that explains it.
So it was a fourth wall thing, shooting into the camera.
Still have to ask how blanks got confused for live ammo. That's a big screwup, wonder if it wae an intern who set the prop up.
From same link:
...a tragic mistake that came hours after some workers walked off the job to protest conditions and production issues.
Did any of the walkouts work on the prop or have access to it?
Could some ******* have purposesly inserted live ammo?
Disgruntled workers do do scummy things, a friend of a friend was the victim of another employee who didn't like him and actually put a chemical in his soda bottle. Think it was some kind of sanitizer.
Originally posted by cdtmtbh so far to me it seems like a combination of inexperience and negligence.
From same link:Did any of the walkouts work on the prop or have access to it?
Could some ******* have purposesly inserted live ammo?
"The Los Angeles Times, citing two crew members it did not name, reported that five days before the shooting, Baldwin's stunt double accidentally fired two live rounds after being told the gun didn't have any ammunition."
"A crew member who was alarmed by the misfires told a unit production manager in a text message, "We've now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe," according to a copy of the message reviewed by the newspaper. The New York Times also reported that there were at least two earlier accidental gun discharges; it cited three former crew members."
The head armorer for the film was very inexperienced in that role.
"Gutierrez, the film's armorer, is the daughter of a longtime Hollywood firearms expert."
"During the podcast interview. Gutierrez shared that she just finished her first movie in the role of head armorer"
"I was really nervous about it at first and I almost didn't take the job because I wasn't sure if I was ready but doing it, like, it went really smoothly," she said."
Also she probably shouldn't have been removing any shell casings from anywhere after the shooting and before the police arrive.
"It was unclear how many rounds were fired. Gutierrez removed a shell casing from the gun after the shooting, and she turned the weapon over to police when they arrived, the court records say."
Originally posted by Raptor22
tbh so far to me it seems like a combination of inexperience and negligence."The Los Angeles Times, citing two crew members it did not name, reported that five days before the shooting, Baldwin's stunt double accidentally fired two live rounds after being told the gun didn't have any ammunition."
"A crew member who was alarmed by the misfires told a unit production manager in a text message, "We've now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe," according to a copy of the message reviewed by the newspaper. The New York Times also reported that there were at least two earlier accidental gun discharges; it cited three former crew members."
The head armorer for the film was very inexperienced in that role.
"Gutierrez, the film's armorer, is the daughter of a longtime Hollywood firearms expert."
"During the podcast interview. Gutierrez shared that she just finished her first movie in the role of head armorer"
"I was really nervous about it at first and I almost didn't take the job because I wasn't sure if I was ready but doing it, like, it went really smoothly," she said."
Also she probably shouldn't have been removing any shell casings from anywhere after the shooting and before the police arrive.
"It was unclear how many rounds were fired. Gutierrez removed a shell casing from the gun after the shooting, and she turned the weapon over to police when they arrived, the court records say."
How do you accidentally fire TWO live rounds?
Speaking from experience, the first time was enough to make me drop the damned thing. Was handed a firearm by a proud new licence owner, with the clip removed. And the idiot loaded one into the chamber.
I take full responsibility for the act, no one forced me to even touch the thing much less pull the trigger, and thank god no one got hurt. But I sure wouldn't pull the trigger again after that at all, let alone without being certain next time.
Originally posted by cdtm
A good point I heard: What was he even doing pointing at the director?Normally you point props at other actors. Unless he wasn't the target but just happened to be in the wrong place.
I'm so tired of people calling it a "prop gun".
Prop guns can't kill people. It was an actual gun with a live round in it.
Baldwin was also the producer, not just an actor of the film. I guarantee you he is gonna be feeling some real heat over this.
"It was just an accident!"
Yeah, that's what manslaughter is. Maybe he won't face any criminally negligent charges but it's an almost absolute certainty that he is gonna have his ass sued.
Most likely so will some other people involved in making of the film.
Originally posted by Klaw
Nah, he'll be getting the standard Leftist protection.
I don't think so... not this time. There is a dead woman who left behind a husband and children. Don't see how he gets out of this totally unscathed.
It's a good bet that the woman who was killed and her surviving family are leftists as well. If not though, then you may be right.
Originally posted by cdtm
I have not, but I assume unless they were shooting straight up into the sky that there would be a tell from a bullet hitting something.
what sort of tell occurs within a half second of firing consecutive shots. do you think it's like the movies where they instantly clutch their wound and scream "ive been shot", or is life not as simple as your politically convenient imagination dictates?
Originally posted by Bashar Teg👆 when someone is shot, it's a mess.
what sort of tell occurs within a half second of firing consecutive shots. do you think it's like the movies where they instantly clutch their wound and scream "ive been shot", or is life not as simple as your politically convenient imagination dictates?
Originally posted by cdtm
You realize you just contradicted his "How obvious can it be" narrative.And for my part I can say it was pretty damned obvious when I accidentally shot a wall. Actions do have reactions.
Yep, they do. Always. Forgive wittle pooty though, he doesn't understand real science. 😉
*waits for "methneo" trolling post* 😂