Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
@Ilikecomics: if you truly believe that Trump only won because of Russia or that Brexit only passed because of Russia then yes, you're a sore f***ing loser and you need serious help as it has already been proven to be a lie several times over.So yes, leftists are just sore ass losers who need to grow the f*** up... I stand by what i said. 👆
Please calm down. 😊
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnaeWhy do you want to dismiss a report before it has been seen?
@Ilikecomics: if you truly believe that Trump only won because of Russia or that Brexit only passed because of Russia then yes, you're a sore f***ing loser and you need serious help as it has already been proven to be a lie several times over.So yes, leftists are just sore ass losers who need to grow the f*** up... I stand by what i said. 👆
Originally posted by Eon Blue
Please calm down. 😊
Please open your eyes and grow a brain... if you think I'm angry then you're delusional. So sorry I hurt your fragile wittle fee fees by pointing out facts, Eon. I know you're one of those butthurt lefties still upset that Trump beat Hillary even after 3 1/2 years have passed lol.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Please open your eyes and grow a brain... if you think I'm angry then you're delusional. So sorry I hurt your fragile wittle fee fees by pointing out facts, Eon. I know you're one of those butthurt lefties still upset that Trump beat Hillary even after 3 1/2 years lol.
Lol, but I’m not at all. I’ve nothing against you as a person and agree with you on several topics of discussion, but you always seem to blame everything you disagree with as “leftism”. Just pointing that out for you.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
@Ilikecomics: if you truly believe that Trump only won because of Russia or that Brexit only passed because of Russia then yes, you're a sore f***ing loser and you need serious help as it has already been proven to be a lie several times over.So yes, leftists are just sore ass losers who need to grow the f*** up... I stand by what i said. 👆
Well, with that being said im really happy that description doesnt apply to me whatsoever, as i never made the positive claim that trump won solely due to russian aid; further more if one were to characterize my argument as such would be strawmanning.
Let me explain my actual positive claim. Russia had a very large influence in both the election of trump and the passing of brexit, but was not the only factor.
Here is a list of their actions just in 2014, their actions increase in scope and frequency from then on out.
Quoted from this wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency
"April: The IRA creates a department called the "translator project". The department's focus is on interfering in the U.S. election.[103][104]
May: The IRA begins its election interference campaign of "spread[ing] distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general."[103][104]
4–26 June: Aleksandra Krylova and Anna Bogacheva, two IRA employees, travel to the U.S. to collect intelligence. Maria Bovda, a third employee, is denied a visa.[103] All three are indicted in February 2018 for their work on election interference.[104]
11 September: The IRA spreads a hoax they created about a fictitious chemical plant fire in Centerville, St. Mary Parish, Louisiana, purportedly started by ISIS. The hoax includes tweets and YouTube videos showing a chemical plant fire. Centerville is home to many chemical plants, but the plant named in the tweets does not exist. Initial tweets are sent directly to politicians, journalists, and Centerville residents.[105]
21 September – 11 October: The Material Evidence art exhibition is displayed at the Art Beam gallery in the Chelsea neighborhood of New York City. It portrays the conflicts in Syria and Ukraine in a pro-Russian light. It is promoted by Twitter accounts that also spread the September 11 chemical plant fire hoax.[105] The exhibition is partly funded by the IRA.[106]
13 December:
The IRA uses Twitter to spread a hoax about an Ebola outbreak in Atlanta. Many of the Twitter accounts used in the September 11 chemical plant fire hoax also spread this hoax. The hoax includes a YouTube video of medical workers wearing hazmat suits.[105]
Using a different set of Twitter accounts, the IRA spreads a hoax about a purported police shooting of an unarmed black woman in Atlanta. The hoax includes a blurry video of the purported event.[105]"
There are countless pieces of evidence you could look into if you cared to, i would even look into sources you link me.
I implore you to read the rest of the wiki if youre interested in steel manning my position.
Also you didnt answer to my positive claim that im further economically right than you, probably by quite a large margin too.
Originally posted by ilikecomics👆 Excellent post.
Well, with that being said im really happy that description doesnt apply to me whatsoever, as i never made the positive claim that trump won solely due to russian aid; further more if one were to characterize my argument as such would be strawmanning.Let me explain my actual positive claim. Russia had a very large influence in both the election of trump and the passing of brexit, but was not the only factor.
Here is a list of their actions just in 2014, their actions increase in scope and frequency from then on out.
Quoted from this wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency"April: The IRA creates a department called the "translator project". The department's focus is on interfering in the U.S. election.[103][104]
May: The IRA begins its election interference campaign of "spread[ing] distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general."[103][104]
4–26 June: Aleksandra Krylova and Anna Bogacheva, two IRA employees, travel to the U.S. to collect intelligence. Maria Bovda, a third employee, is denied a visa.[103] All three are indicted in February 2018 for their work on election interference.[104]
11 September: The IRA spreads a hoax they created about a fictitious chemical plant fire in Centerville, St. Mary Parish, Louisiana, purportedly started by ISIS. The hoax includes tweets and YouTube videos showing a chemical plant fire. Centerville is home to many chemical plants, but the plant named in the tweets does not exist. Initial tweets are sent directly to politicians, journalists, and Centerville residents.[105]
21 September – 11 October: The Material Evidence art exhibition is displayed at the Art Beam gallery in the Chelsea neighborhood of New York City. It portrays the conflicts in Syria and Ukraine in a pro-Russian light. It is promoted by Twitter accounts that also spread the September 11 chemical plant fire hoax.[105] The exhibition is partly funded by the IRA.[106]
13 December:
The IRA uses Twitter to spread a hoax about an Ebola outbreak in Atlanta. Many of the Twitter accounts used in the September 11 chemical plant fire hoax also spread this hoax. The hoax includes a YouTube video of medical workers wearing hazmat suits.[105]
Using a different set of Twitter accounts, the IRA spreads a hoax about a purported police shooting of an unarmed black woman in Atlanta. The hoax includes a blurry video of the purported event.[105]"There are countless pieces of evidence you could look into if you cared to, i would even look into sources you link me.
I implore you to read the rest of the wiki if youre interested in steel manning my position.
Also you didnt answer to my positive claim that im further economically right than you, probably by quite a large margin too.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Even if he is in Russia's pocket mate? Really?
The thing that makes that part okay, in my opinion, is the sheer brazeness that trump does things with.
Had someone less tenacious, crass, or impulsive won, they wouldnt have done things as tone deaf as praising putin directly, which reminds me of how serial killers stalk the crime scene or even send police clues. These Machiavellian traits make them highly affective predators, but they simultaneously doom them to be caught in a modern society with forensics and increasingly complex and capable methods of investigation. The analogy to trumps behavior is that his crassness, corrupted self interest, and impulsivity positioned him as a political outsider and worked well when he was external to politics, but now internal to politics will, in my opinion, prove to be his downfall.
Framed another way: the white house and station of presidency, as well as how that affects the integrity ofthe country is a jewelry store, with all it's shiny trinkets jewels and baubles. If i can somehow choose between two crooks to rob the jewelry store and the choice is between
1.) rusty bruiser. A thug patsy of the much more sophisticated russian mafia, who almost always gets caught due to sloppy work and a bragadocious nature.
Or
2.)someone working autonomously for themselves, who has gotten away with numerous heists (and who has a partner who flew on jeff epsteins private jet 26 times) because theyre so slick.
The choice to me, if i care about the jewelry store, is gonna be the dumb ass that robs it, brags about it, then gets caught, potentially some of the loot recovered, over the second thief, who would get a job there and slowly suck the life out of the jewelry store over the span of approximately a decade.
Im playing 4d chess, bud. 💃
Originally posted by ilikecomicsYou see, I think anyone who puts self over nation enough to be compromised by a foreign power isn't fit for purpose and has to go.
The thing that makes that part okay, in my opinion, is the sheer brazeness that trump does things with.
Had someone less tenacious, crass, or impulsive won, they wouldnt have done things as tone deaf as praising putin directly, which reminds me of how serial killers stalk the crime scene or even send police clues. These Machiavellian traits make them highly affective predators, but they simultaneously doom them to be caught in a modern society with forensics and increasingly complex and capable methods of investigation. The analogy to trumps behavior is that his crassness, corrupted self interest, and impulsivity positioned him as a political outsider and worked well when he was external to politics, but now internal to politics will, in my opinion, prove to be his downfall.Framed another way: the white house and station of presidency, as well as how that affects the integrity ofthe country is a jewelry store, with all it's shiny trinkets jewels and baubles. If i can somehow choose between two crooks to rob the jewelry store and the choice is between
1.) rusty bruiser. A thug patsy of the much more sophisticated russian mafia, who almost always gets caught due to sloppy work and a bragadocious nature.
Or
2.)someone working autonomously for themselves, who has gotten away with numerous heists (and who has a partner who flew on jeff epsteins private jet 26 times) because theyre so slick.The choice to me, if i care about the jewelry store, is gonna be the dumb ass that robs it, brags about it, then gets caught, potentially some of the loot recovered, over the second thief, who would get a job there and slowly suck the life out of the jewelry store over the span of approximately a decade.
Im playing 4d chess, bud. 💃
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
You see, I think anyone who puts self over nation enough to be compromised by a foreign power isn't fit for purpose and has to go.
I agree, im saying trump or clinton both would have done that, trump was just much more likely to be caught.
Put another way, in universe b, where clinton won, maybe things would seem alot more calm than our current universe a i.e. the world wouldnt be exploding in racially based conflict, but we could be totally sold up the river to china, russia, or whoever pays the most without knowing.
From a third angle, trump is symptomatic corona and clinton would be like asymptomatic corona.
The symptoms would alert you to something being wrong, whereas no symptoms would mean you walk around not knowing youre infected and infecf others.
Originally posted by ilikecomicsI prefer to think the tacidly agreed social norms of Clinton, the institutionalised politeness is far better than the endorsement of division by Trump. But that is just me.
I agree, im saying trump or clinton both would have done that, trump was just much more likely to be caught.Put another way, in universe b, where clinton won, maybe things would seem alot more calm than our current universe a i.e. the world wouldnt be exploding in racially based conflict, but we could be totally sold up the river to china, russia, or whoever pays the most without knowing.
From a third angle, trump is symptomatic corona and clinton would be like asymptomatic corona.
The symptoms would alert you to something being wrong, whereas no symptoms would mean you walk around not knowing youre infected and infecf others.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I prefer to think the tacidly agreed social norms of Clinton, the institutionalised politeness is far better than the endorsement of division by Trump. But that is just me.
Would you say this is because he taints the iconography and prestige surrounding the station of potus?
If not that, then why? Is it the palatability of clinton ?
If so it would make sense this could hurt our standing on the world stage via the perceptions of foe and ally alike.
This article said biden wouldnt count taiwai as a seperate entity, this is majorly problematic to me, however this is as well.
An excerpt describing why china is pro trump
"Some in Chinese officialdom, however, reportedly see long-term benefits in Trump winning a second term. They argue that four more years of Trump will further damage America’s global standing and fray its alliances with other countries. That could benefit China as it seeks to increase its global influence."
Touched on what i asked you, whirly
Originally posted by ilikecomicsbecause of how his language affects the fringes.
Would you say this is because he taints the iconography and prestige surrounding the station of potus?If not that, then why? Is it the palatability of clinton ?
If so it would make sense this could hurt our standing on the world stage via the perceptions of foe and ally alike.