Originally posted by dadudemon
Too true.BLM is also interested in getting Democrats elected. They use ActBlue as their charity funds manager. Here's the top recipients of ActBlue money:
Opensecrets said that none of the BLM donations are going to the DNC so you can mark off that $30 million at the #9 slot from that list.
https://twitter.com/OpenSecretsDC/status/1272939242927218688
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expenditures.php?cycle=2020&cmte=C00401224
Troll harder, Whirly.
Originally posted by dadudemonWho are your source DDM, that's not trolling, who verifies them. Do you know act blue are channelling BLM money to the dems... can you prove it? Or are act Blue just dealing with BLM.
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expenditures.php?cycle=2020&cmte=C00401224Troll harder, Whirly.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/center-for-responsive-politics-open-secrets/
Overall, we rate The Center for Responsive Politics (Open Secrets) Least Biased and Very High for fact factual reporting due to excellent sourcing of information as well as being an official source for fact checkers.
Originally posted by Silent Masterthanks for that so DDM needs to prove his point as open secrets who disagree with DDM say this.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/center-for-responsive-politics-open-secrets/
And you say they are really solid. So where is DDM getting his inferences?
Cheers for supporting truth S and M
thanks for that so DDM needs to prove his point as open secrets who disagree with DDM say this.
All that said was the blm didn't pull in money directly, not that the organization didn't use it's branding to pull in money from another name...........so disingenuous, so much the actor.
So much the provocateur without answering any questions themselves. rarely if ever do you provide substance yet require that from those you engage with, typically reffered to as trolling.
Originally posted by snowdragonDisagree DDM says this
All that said was the blm didn't pull in money directly, not that the organization didn't use it's branding to pull in money from another name...........so disingenuous, so much the actor.So much the provocateur without answering any questions themselves. rarely if ever do you provide substance yet require that from those you engage with, typically reffered to as trolling.
Is not true, however S and M says it's a site of top integrity.
DDM posted names and numbers from a group who handles accounts for multiple purposes. He needs to prove the names and figures of money come from the BLM source or other sources also managed by the same group. He hasn't yet.
Here you go... the real skinny!
This report also conflicts from far right social media propaganda on where the money is going.
Your source is listed as left-center bias
Overall, we rate NBC News Left-Center biased based on story selection and word choices that moderately favor the left and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a reasonable fact check record.
Why are they better than a site listed as least biased?
Overall, we rate The Center for Responsive Politics (Open Secrets) Least Biased and Very High for fact factual reporting due to excellent sourcing of information as well as being an official source for fact checkers.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Your source is listed as left-center biasWhy are they better than a site listed as least biased?
Originally posted by Silent Masterwhat do you mean, I'm agree with open secrets. DDM isn't. I'll agree with them as all other sources seem to agree with them too. DDM needs to provide more than a table which doesn't show flow in from BLM.
Your source is listed as left-center biasWhy are they better than a site listed as least biased?
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Is not true, however S and M says it's a site of top integrity.DDM posted names and numbers from a group who handles accounts for multiple purposes. He needs to prove the names and figures of money come from the BLM source or other sources also managed by the same group. He hasn't yet.
BLM uses ActBlue. ActBlue, as the name implies, is a Democratic Party affiliated fund-raising organization. They get Democrats elected. That is their goal.
The burden of proof is on you to contradict these facts. You have the evidence. Now it's time for you to prove a counter position also with facts.
Before you even entered this conversation, I already - because I'm an honest actor - pointed out that ActBlue's 9th largest donation recipient is not getting money from BLM. That still leaves 1-8 and 10.
Since your trolling won't work and literally everyone else who sees this convo will see you're wrong and dishonest in your game, your trolling attempt has failed.
You quoted that StarWars person 2-3 times, trying to incite others to responding. You were trolling. It was obvious. I bit because I had the facts. I took the bait. Now everyone has the facts and no amount of trolling on your part, or misdirection will change this.
Originally posted by Silent Masteropen secrets themselves say this on their twitter feed.
What color is the sky in your world?
Now imagine granny gives mum 25 dollars and grand pa gives mum 25 dollars. Mum has 50 dollars she give 25 dollars from gran to Jo Biden none of grand pa's money has gone to Jo Biden. Prove where the money came in and went out in your table DDM.
Originally posted by snowdragonEmpowered, yeah. I used the right word. There are laws on the books explicitly designed to empower police to shoot civilians without fear of reprisal, on the basis that to do otherwise would restrict their ability to police. I think it should be obvious by now that this power is open to serious abuse.
Most of your point is simply disengenous words when you say "empowered" because that is the opposite of what happens to police and your use of "innocent" is questionable as well.
And by innocent I mean innocent of any act that would justify being shot, like aggravated assault for example.
The more appropitate answer to this is simply a question, if there is so much racism why do most the minority cities with problems boast a significant black leadership? Come back to me with an honest response and we can have a discussion in good faith.Well my eyes are being opened to the amount of influence police unions & lobby groups wield in the US, who are acting as a barrier to change. And then there is the judicial system, which is a separate entity altogether. I think it’s naive to think that "black leadership" is enough to enact change without widespread support.
Originally posted by dadudemonno he wouldn't, I'm asking you to prove money from a specific source held centrally by a company that holds money from many sources is the source of the donations you talk about. When the source of your charts say.
At this point, it doesn't matter. The data is raw and right out there for anyone to plainly see.🙂
I remember in the past, Ushgarak would ban posters for doing what Whirly is trying to do.
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Originally posted by dadudemonBLM started with a hashtag opposing police brutality. The organisation known as 'Black Lives Matter' has piggy-backed itself on the back of that, but the movement itself remains decentralised and leaderless, and frankly has grown way larger to encompass racism against black people in general.
Too true.BLM is also interested in getting Democrats elected. They use ActBlue as their charity funds manager. Here's the top recipients of ActBlue money:
Opensecrets said that none of the BLM donations are going to the DNC so you can mark off that $30 million at the #9 slot from that list.
And it should be obvious why BLM is interested in electing Democrats.
It says it right on their website in their "What Matters" section:
They use an "ActBlue" charity company to funnel funds to Democrats to get them elected or reelected.
If they actually cared about those issues, they'd vote for Trump, the Libertarians, or the Greens.
And they make it VERY clear they want to destroy the nuclear family (when we have mountains of science that shows the standard nuclear family to be the best possible starting point for children):
"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement..."
WTF? Burn this organization to the ground. Destroy it. Post-haste.
Personally, I do not donate to the organisation known as 'Black Lives Matter', there are better orgs to donate to under the same banner that are making it clear where the money is going and what they are doing with it. I also think the stuff the BLM org is saying about patriarchy and the nuclear family is distracting from the central issue, which is a shame.
Do you believe Black people are mostly being treated fairly by the police? Honest question. You talk a lot about how the statistics don't support this and yet incidents like the George Floyd murder keep occurring and police mistrust amongst the black community remains high.
Originally posted by DarthAloysius
Personally, I do not donate to the organisation known as 'Black Lives Matter', there are better orgs to donate to under the same banner that are making it clear where the money is going and what they are doing with it. I also think the stuff the BLM org is saying about patriarchy and the nuclear family is distracting from the central issue, which is a shame.
Top-Notch!
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Whirly is right, you are a great addition to the GDF. Super glad to have you around. I also donate and spend time with other orgs that help the black community without all the politics and anti-science junk.
Originally posted by DarthAloysius
Do you believe Black people are mostly being treated fairly by the police?
Drug War: no
Stop and Frisk: no
Black people are veritably, with solid nonpartisan science, disparately impacted by those 2 policies. Relative to white people, population prevalence, and violent crime prevalence, white people are disproportionately killed by police compared to any other race demographics.
The US Police, in general, need to improve across the board. It's an American problem, not just a black problem. By improving the police, we help black lives: that message should not get lost. And the uppity white people getting their panties in a bunch because of the people who want police to stop manhandling and killing black people need to take note that the policies people - who are well-read and intelligent - want, will help literally everyone else, too.
Originally posted by DarthAloysius
Honest question. You talk a lot about how the statistics don't support this and yet incidents like the George Floyd murder keep occurring and police mistrust amongst the black community remains high.
That's a media created problem and a black culture problem. The exceptions do not make the science.
Better regulations with the media could have saved dozens of lives that have been lost directly related to the George Floyd riots. Directly, dozens of people died because of these actions. And the hate and anger was almost entirely driven by the Mainstream Media. That is not protected speech. Round the clock news coverage of George Floyd's death, inciting anger, shaming the public, fear-mongering the people - not proteted speech under the first amendment. It directly led to lost lives. Were the 20+ lives lost during the riots worth the coverage of George Floyd's death? Was 1 life worth those other 20+?. I say, no. Not even close.