Hulk vs Metroplex

Originally posted by Stoic
That was Rogue though. There's a big difference. The Abomination is a Hulk as well, but he doesn't have infinite strength potential.

The scans that Carver presented are older than the World Forger incident aren't they?

I wasn’t talking about those scans right? I was speaking about the use of Infinite/ Multiversal.

Prior to WF KO, how many argued that a celestial had infinite power? Or Galactus or Thor? Since then, a group of posters here, basically label every feat by a marvel character multiversal with infinite level of power.

Perfect example, when has the Hulk displayed infinite strength?
If he had, he would have stopped the celestial decent.

Sure he has access to infinite Gamma Radiation per Beyonder’s words, but when has he accessed it on an infinite scale?

The amount of energy he access to strengthen himself is dependent on his anger. So it connects with, the angrier hulk gets the stronger he gets. But you guys already knew this..

Hulk is banner, how angry can a human mind get? Not infinite level. Even though hulk has access to infinite energy, it doesn’t mean he’s accessing it all at once for initiate strength and is limited by his anger.

Originally posted by Diesldude
I wasn’t talking about those scans right? I was speaking about the use of Infinite/ Multiversal.

Prior to WF KO, how many argued that a celestial had infinite power? Or Galactus or Thor? Since then, a group of posters here, basically label every feat by a marvel character multiversal with infinite level of power.

Perfect example, when has the Hulk displayed infinite strength?
If he had, he would have stopped the celestial decent.

Sure he has access to infinite Gamma Radiation per Beyonder’s words, but when has he accessed it on an infinite scale?

The amount of energy he access to strengthen himself is dependent on his anger. So it connects with, the angrier hulk gets the stronger he gets. But you guys already knew this..

Hulk is banner, how angry can a human mind get? Not infinite level. Even though hulk has access to infinite energy, it doesn’t mean he’s accessing it all at once for initiate strength and is limited by his anger.

1. Both sides have made claims based on citations, or on panel showings. Both sides have posters that deny, or agree with those citations, or on panel showings.

2. Who said that Celestials, Galactus, or Thor had infinite power? If they did, did they present proof? If proof was shown, are you refuting this proof? If so why? As far as I've seen, it's the DC side that has been playing fast and loose with the word multiversal, which began over a year ago when Superman knocked the World Fofger on his ass.

3. The Green Scar displayed the potential to have infinite strength, which was mentally unlocked within his mind during Planet Hulk. The Hulk was using a machine that stopped working properly. Didn't you read Carver's scan? Rogue with the Hulk's powers does not make her the Hulk.

4. You just asked this question. No other version of Hulk aside from the Green Scar was able to freely tap into the infinite well of power that gives him his powers. This was, or is a mental block that was overcome during Planet Hulk. Doom later performed brain surgery on him to bury this ability.

5. Adrenaline is what makes him stronger. Trying to turn this into a real life human situation will lead to faulty reasoning. These are fictional characters, and as I mentioned before, the Hulk is as strong as the story needs him to be. But yeah you can present scans of him losing to a minor nuisance, just as long as you don't forget that the other side can present scans showing Superman losing to a minor nuisance.

Besides infinite strength isn't needed to rip through Metroplex's hull, and it certainly isn't needed in order to rip up its softer innards.

The Beyonder said that the Hulk was an infinite power. Are you willing to accept this citation? Yes? No? If no, then why is it so easy to accept Superman's multiversal punch? Why is it so easy for you to accept the lifting of the book of Infinite Pages? Is this a double standard? That last question is one that you need to look in a mirror and ask yourself.

1- Of the trinity, only Superman has gone multiversal based off of the WF showing. While the other side has been claimingI multiversal, infinite power, practically every chance they got. You can search check the last few weeks for a bunch of examples.
He’ll Carter just said exitar at has infinite power and you yourself said a few times that hulk has unlimited strength quote fr
Beyonders as proof. No doubt hulk theoretically has unlimited strength, if he can keep getting angrier he keeps getting stronger because the energy he can draw from is unlimited but he’s never displayed unlimited strength or absorbed unlimited gamma energy from that dimension that beyonders speaks of.
2- see 1 and thehulkster, jbl and Alberto of course.
3 - I brought up that event and carver provided the scans. If rogue was using hulk’s powers in addition to the other heros she shouldn’t have failed especially since the hulk has unlimited strength due to the unlimited energy. This proves my point to counter your argument in the same post I brought it up in. After all rogue with hulk’s access to unlimited energy still failed to stop exitar’s decent. If he had unlimited strength he should not have failed proving (access to unlimited gamma energy does not equal unlimited or infinite strength.
4- all hulk’s can tap into it. That’s where he supposedly gets his power.

5- gamma or adrenaline? . That other dimension is full of gamma not adrenaline right.

Can you post the scan of the beyonder’s quote?

Lifting Infiniti and knocking out a multiversal being are pretty cut and dry though.

Originally posted by Diesldude
1- Of the trinity, only Superman has gone multiversal based off of the WF showing. While the other side has been claimingI multiversal, infinite power, practically every chance they got. You can search check the last few weeks for a bunch of examples.
He’ll Carter just said exitar at has infinite power and you yourself said a few times that hulk has unlimited strength quote fr
Beyonders as proof. No doubt hulk theoretically has unlimited strength, if he can keep getting angrier he keeps getting stronger because the energy he can draw from is unlimited but he’s never displayed unlimited strength or absorbed unlimited gamma energy from that dimension that beyonders speaks of.
2- see 1 and thehulkster, jbl and Alberto of course.
3 - I brought up that event and carver provided the scans. If rogue was using hulk’s powers in addition to the other heros she shouldn’t have failed especially since the hulk has unlimited strength due to the unlimited energy. This proves my point to counter your argument in the same post I brought it up in. After all rogue with hulk’s access to unlimited energy still failed to stop exitar’s decent. If he had unlimited strength he should not have failed proving (access to unlimited gamma energy does not equal unlimited or infinite strength.
4- all hulk’s can tap into it. That’s where he supposedly gets his power.

5- gamma or adrenaline? . That other dimension is full of gamma not adrenaline right.

Can you post the scan of the beyonder’s quote?

Lifting Infiniti and knocking out a multiversal being are pretty cut and dry though.

I have to work soon so I'll get back to you. I did say that both sides are doing the multiversal/infinity claim. The thing is that throughout the Hulk's entire history there have been citations that state that he has no limit to his strength. Me reminding you of this fact shouldn't be a surprise to you since I am certain that it isn't the first time you've read it. Google the character, and read his power description. My point was that the Hulk doesn't need infinite strength to destroy Metroplex who has far less than infinite durability. The Hulk is far smaller and could gain entry in a number of ways. All he needs to do is get inside of this city sized robot. Also take note that the Celestial was far larger than a city. It was comparable to Unicron, not Metroplex. Gotta go.

So when has Hulk actually shown infinite strength on panel? And not just lip service and statements....

During HOTM, he was able to tap into unlimited power at will on panel. Which is irrelevant since Metroplex isn't an infinite, nor doe it take infinite strength, or wisdom torealize that Metroplex has openings that the Hulk could easily gain access to.

Later.

So he was displaying infinite power? I find that hard to believe, and I say that as the only person in the history of KMC to use WBH in a BZ.

He has full access to infinite power and was able to instantly ramp up from base strength to well above planet killer strength. The Hulk at his best is as strong as the story needs him to be. As far as I know, no strength cap has ever been placed on the character barring Merged Hulk, and Indestructible Hulk with a limiter in play.

Your question is irrelevant to the OP. Metroplex doesn't require infinite strength to be destroyed. I also found it quite amusing to see people pretending as if Metroplex were as powerful as an Earth sized Celestial when it's only as large as a city.

So he's never actually shown any infinite strength. Ok

He has no limit cap to his strength. He'd enter one of Metroplex's synthetic eyes, and one shot whatever passes for its brain.

Originally posted by Stoic
He has no limit cap to his strength. He'd enter one of Metroplex's synthetic eyes, and one shot whatever passes for its brain.

He does have a cap on his anger, though. As Hulk does not possess infinite anger.

If he did, then yes, sure, he would then have infinite strength. Imagine a garden hose connected to the ocean - there's massive amounts of water that could potentially flood your house, but you are limited by the hose.

The Hulk is as strong as he needs to be in any given story, because he has infinite strength potential. Tyring to make sense of how he doesn't have to be infinitely angry is like trying to make sense of Superman destroying a multiverse while being powered by far less than a galaxy.

Hulk beats the shit out of Metroplex BTFW.