Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes but we don't actually have those 10 direct comparisons of reflex speed between Supes and Diana. His advantage in raw speed was specifically referenced so showings where his raw speed could be a major factor aren't actually contradictory in any way. Given the difficulty in writing a scenario where such a subtle facet is displayed, I'd be pretty willing to bet that there's very little i the way of instances where such a thing was demonstrated.
We have feats, though. That's why we use them.
Originally posted by abhilegend
DC didn't say it, it was an opinion shared by a writer and even in the comic it was an opinion shared by Batman with which Superman disagreed.Its hardly the same with several writers showing Superman having dynamic strength.
If it's printed in their books, they're saying it.
Superman accepts what is said once it's explained to him
Originally posted by -Pr-
We have feats, though. That's why we use them.
And just to be clear, I'm not trying to deny that Supes has some degree of dynamic strength because I absolutely believe he does. I think lots of heroes do, but I genuinely believe that Supes has one of the most prominent available ability increases in his arsenal(way more than the vast majority of characters). But personally I don't think of it as being potentially unlimited in the same way that I do Hulk's. I think the whole idea of sundipping supports there being some cap on Supes's ability to simply rise to the occasion.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The Shattered God feat was mentioned so many times, I'm starting to think Diana is completely featless without it.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
More like freaking blown out of proportion and overused on this forum.
If it took those pieces a week to get there they would stil' be massively faster than light and there was still trillions upon trillions of them coming omnidirectionally from everywhere in a 100 trillion lightyear universe.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
More like freaking blown out of proportion and overused on this forum.
How about this then. "Hera, he is faster than Clark. FAST AS ME"!!!
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78294/2069209-52599244xxx.jpg
Originally posted by darthgoober
How many reflex feats from Supes do you think there is that are strait up superior to stuff like her Shattered God feat? Cause don't forget, he's got WAY more appearances than she does so if the argument is that his reflexes are portrayed as being superior more consistently then there'd need to be enough to counter the strait up comparisons made and her best feats as well and the number should probably factor in his far number greater of appearances.
I can already tell we're not going to meet in the middle on this, but I'm gonna try anyway:
As far as the Shattered God feat, not many. It is a hell of a feat. The problem for me, is that as good as it is, what's her next best one? It's not her average. It's not even her operating at that "bit above normal" that most heroes do. It's an insane feat.
But you asked for a Superman feat that rivals it. I would say the diner feat with Barry is one. The rebuilding of the city/moon is two more. If those don't fit the bill, I would submit the one where he basically processes everything so fast that it's one of the best speed feats ever written.
Your point about him having more issues than her... if it was someone like, say... Kalibak? He's only got a couple of hundred issues iirc, then you'd have an argument. But Wonder Woman has thousands. And, that's not even considering the fact that the more comics a person has, the more they're going to have not just high feats, but low feats too. It evens out in the end imo.
As for the argument about his reflexes being portrayed as being consistently better? Well, they are. Even leaving out the direct comparisons, Superman doesn't just have more feats of reflex/processing speed than she does. He has better ones too.
And it still goes back to that point about outside of the Shattered God feat, what's next? She has some excellent speed feats. Ones that make her piss all over most non-Flash speedsters. But Superman has, ever since the late 90s, been shown more and more as having a broader range of feats than she does.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I like the idea of Diana being a faster, more efficient fighter than Clark, as far as reflexes are concerned.I'm just not a fan of the Shattered God feat.
Honestly, my preference would be that they're about even reflex-wise. As good as he is, Superman still has that gap between thought and action. For her, there should be little to no gap at all because of her superior training and experience in combat.
Originally posted by darthgoober
It was the guy DC put in charge of writing Supes who said it, thus DC said it. Again, not consistently, but it was said at least twice. I'm not saying that it's directly comparable, I'm saying the difference is a matter of degree and is therefor a matter of opinion as to where the line should be drawn unless KMC sets more specific and less subjective standards on when what's on panel should be ignored.
So no, DC didn't say it.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
If it's printed in their books, they're saying it.Superman accepts what is said once it's explained to him
Originally posted by darthgoober
That's because it's freaking crazy... like really crazy... like I didn't personally consider it to be valid at all UNTIL DC said her reflexes were even better than Supes's.
Translation : I can't accept it if Superman is faster than her because that's my whole agenda to lowball Superman.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
If it took those pieces a week to get there they would stil' be massively faster than light and there was still trillions upon trillions of them coming omnidirectionally from everywhere in a 100 trillion lightyear universe.
Originally posted by carver9
How about this then. "Hera, he is faster than Clark. FAST AS ME"!!!https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78294/2069209-52599244xxx.jpg
