!!!Herald Tourney!!! abhilegend vs. Martian_mind
CHARACTERS:
[list][*]abhilegend: Hyperion and Weapon H[/list][list][*]Martian_mind: Loki and Atlas (DC)[/list]
STIPS:
[list][*]Three posts (1 opener, 1 rebuttal, and 1 final.)[/list][list][*]Fight takes place on an indestructible Earth.[/list][list][*]Prep-time is limited solely to creating shields.[/list][list][*]Starting distance is 0.5km.[/list][list][*]No BFR.[/list][list][*]Judges tbd.[/list]
Martian's OP:
So, here we stand, on the cusp of yet another great tournament. Who will prove the victor in this contest of champions? This clash of forum Titans?
Me, obviously.
Let us skip the preamble, and just dive right in. One look at the teams tells you that Abhi is woefully outmatched. His versatility is almost non-existent, and essentially extends to “hit things hard, or cut them if I’m lucky”. My options, however, are *vastly* more diverse. Let’s explore them!
Obviously, I use the prep time to raise a shield around Loki. Atlas doesn’t need one.
…then again, neither does Loki, really, considering he can shrug off attacks from Thor with ease.
And neither of Abhi’s team are Thor. Far from it, in fact.
So, the bell rings, and Abhi is left with his one strategy, which consists of attacking me directly. A strategy which is doomed to fail. For not one member of his team has the speed or strength to overwhelm Loki and his versatility. Hell, Loki could win this match by himself. You see, the minute that buzzer sounds, Loki can just mentally attack either or both of Abhi’s team, neither of who have any significant telepathic protection.
Even if they had protection, do you really think it would stack up to the likes of Dr. Strange, who outright refers to Loki’s attack as the most powerful he’d ever encountered? I sure as hell don’t.
So, Abhi’s team are vegetables within seconds of the match starting. And yes, we all know Abhi’s gonna try and claim “mAh SpeEd”, but really, it is nothing to Loki or Atlas. Remember, Atlas has super speed, and has thrown down with both Superman and Krypto, both of whom heavily outclass Hyperion:
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-678?id=16364#5
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-678?id=16364#6
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-678?id=16364#7
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-678?id=16364#19
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-678?id=16364#20
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-678?id=16364#21
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-679?id=16366#2
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-679?id=16366#3
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-679?id=16366#4
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-679?id=16366#5
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-679?id=16366#13
*Supergirl interrupts at this point, but is then taken out by outside interference. As you can see though, Atlas clearly has the advantage over Supes*
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-679?id=16366#17
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-679?id=16366#18
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-679?id=16366#19
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-679?id=16366#20
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-679?id=16366#21
*note how easily he disposes of Steel*
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-679?id=16366#22
I’ve only shown the Superman fight at this point, but as you can see, Atlas is clearly physically capable of dealing with either Hyperion or Weapon H. With him running interference, plus the bonus of shields and illusions:
And Loki’s own divine speed-
It’s obvious that Loki will be able to land his psychic attacks (or indeed magical ones, which as you can see can one-shot Beta Ray Bill) before my opponent can mount anything approaching an offense. Honestly, ask yourself, what advantage does Abhi actually hold here? His direct attacks will amount to nothing, and they are literally ALL HE HAS. Hell, Loki is capable of rendering Weapon H even more useless with a single incantation:
Something he won’t have to do, because he’ll have turned him into a vegetable in the opening moment of the fight! Hell, he could probably turn him into a GENUINE vegetable, if the mood struck.
I could continue, of course, but really this is enough. Abhi can offer no counter to my initial telepathic assault, and even if he could, Atlas is more than capable of fending off his team long enough for Loki to arrange another tactic. Hell, If the mood strikes, Loki can just amp Atlas to even higher levels for shits and giggles-
-further guaranteeing my win. This fight, ladies and gentlemen, is a closed case. One that has the Myth Men coming out firmly on top.
abhi's OP:
So, let's get this started with. Just to let know what level we are playing on here, Hyperion actually stops two Earths colliding and survives the destruction of two universes.
Or stop a planet moving at 500000 mph cold.
Or actually fly through a Terminus who was slapping Thor around like nothing.
Here's Thor vs the same Terminus, two pages ago.
And with combat speed like which Hyperion shows (Nevada to Sumatra and back within a minute).
https://ibb.co/CVhCsWR
https://ibb.co/1sXFTHF
Now the prep time is only for shields and while Loki's shields are good, even with an amp (Dormammu's powers), Firelord and Iron Man have broken through his shields.
https://ibb.co/qMQdqPX
https://ibb.co/2hTnjzN
Hyperion and Weapon H combined hit far harder than that.
Weapon H beats down Cho hulk
Even knocks out Immortal Hulk (far better regeneration than Loki's, albeit Hulk contracted a virus which Weapon H was also suffering from).
https://justpaste.it/img/1ee586c17fa201ad6f8a253bc732d355.jpg
Weapon H messed up Immortal Hulk while he was suffering from the virus while Hulk was fresh.
Just a reminder that Immortal Hulk cracked Thor's skull with one punch.
And Thor himself has beaten down and knocked out a Dormammu amped Loki within a minute (Loki takes only one punch at normal power and gets koed).
And Thor has actually blitzed Loki with a copy of mjolnir and beats both Loki and Fenris down.
Even hulk has blitzed and beat down Loki before he could do anything.
Hyperion and Weapon H will make mincemeat out of Loki.
Also there's Atlas, who got oneshotted by Steel of all people.
Either Weapon H or Hyperion would oneshot him, he only gave Superman a fight due to his magic weakness exploited.
Basic thing in tourneys : Speed kills and Loki is slow as molasses (Thor blitzed him. Thor!!!).
Good night sweet prince.
Alright, let’s address this train wreck…
Actually, I’m not sure I should bother. I mean, Abhi has gone the exact route I said he would. “MaH sPeEd”. In doing so, he’s played directly into my hands, since I’ve already proven he doesn’t have any significant speed advantage, and that it wouldn’t save him even if he did. Beyond that, many of his scans are *shockingly* misrepresented, or he outright lies about what they depict. Does he not expect you judges to actually look at what he presents?
Let’s start at the beginning.
So, let's get this started with. Just to let know what level we are playing on here, Hyperion actually stops two Earths colliding and survives the destruction of two universes.Or stop a planet moving at 500000 mph cold.
Or actually fly through a Terminus who was slapping Thor around like nothing.
Here's Thor vs the same Terminus, two pages ago.
And with combat speed like which Hyperion shows (Nevada to Sumatra and back within a minute).
…yeah, nothing really significant here. All you’re saying is that Hyperion is fast and strong, and that you seem to be under the impression that Thor is in this fight. He isn’t. You are fighting Loki, who can turn invisible, teleport, cast illusions, transform you and your surroundings, and attack your mind. I showed all this is my initial post, in addition to counters to all your (well, your one available) strategies. You have shown no defence to any of mine. Hell, the LACK of evidence you’ve shown in regards to Weapon H’s speed is particularly damning, as we start 0.5K’s away from each other. In the time it takes you to cover that distance, Loki could be invisible, miles away, and attacking you in any number of ways. As for Atlas, well, his speed is beyond question-
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-677?id=16362#10
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-677?id=16362#11
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-677?id=16362#12
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https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-677?id=16362#19
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-677?id=16362#20
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-677?id=16362#21
-so Hyperion isn’t blitzing anyone. Which again, was Abhi’s ONLY hope.
Now the prep time is only for shields and while Loki's shields are good, even with an amp (Dormammu's powers), Firelord and Iron Man have broken through his shields.
So Iron man, literally working alongside a herald, drained himself try trying to break a shield that Loki wasn’t even concentrating on. What hope will your team have when Loki is actively giving his all? Assuming you could even get to me in the first place?
Hyperion and Weapon H combined hit far harder than that.
Weapon H beats down Cho hulk
Even knocks out Immortal Hulk (far better regeneration than Loki's, albeit Hulk contracted a virus which Weapon H was also suffering from).
https://justpaste.it/img/1ee586c17fa201ad6f8a253bc732d355.jpg
Weapon H messed up Immortal Hulk while he was suffering from the virus while Hulk was fresh.
Just a reminder that Immortal Hulk cracked Thor's skull with one punch.
So…knocking out Thor and a diseased Hulk is the best you’ve got 😂? Again, Loki isn’t Thor, nor a weakened Hulk. He is far smarter, and far, far more versatile. You still have no counter for my endless assaults. Hell, if you even try to approach me, I can unleash enough force to knock out three Thor-level opponents-
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thor-1966/Issue-441?id=8145#2
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And Thor himself has beaten down and knocked out a Dormammu amped Loki within a minute (Loki takes only one punch at normal power and gets koed).
And Thor has actually blitzed Loki with a copy of mjolnir and beats both Loki and Fenris down.
More useless bluster and lowballing. I’ve just shown a fight where Loki manhandles three opponents comparable to Thor, in addition to a plethora of other powers. A few low showings don’t dismiss the fact that even if you SOMEHOW succeeded in getting your hands on me, the fight would STILL be up in the air.
And Thor has actually blitzed Loki with a copy of mjolnir and beats both Loki and Fenris down.
…And we’re finishing strong, aren’t we? So many lies and lowballs. Thor’s “blitz” comes at the end of a protracted fight, where he had aid (as your own scan shows!) from Cap and Iron Man. Hell, your scan also shows that he FAILS to knock Loki unconscious. How is that in any way helpful to you? You want to reinforce my durability? Thanks, I guess?
Even hulk has blitzed and beat down Loki before he could do anything.
Abhi, are you familiar with what a blitz is? Because a scan showing Hulk slamming a Loki he already has a hold of does NOT constitute a blitz. Now, if the match started with Weapon H holding Loki’s ankle, this MIGHT have helped you…
…Except Loki was perfectly fine after that attack, as well. Merely a little ruffled.
Also there's Atlas, who got oneshotted by Steel of all people.
Either Weapon H or Hyperion would oneshot him, he only gave Superman a fight due to his magic weakness exploited.
Wow.
Okay, so since apparently Abhi is having a bit of trouble understanding things today, let’s recap. One shot, means one hit. In those scans, which clearly depict a team fight, we can ACTUALLY SEE Steel hitting Atlas, Atlas hitting Steel, and then a cheap-shot to the back of head being the finisher. The one time we see them fight one-on-one (per the scans in my OP), Atlas literally one-shots Steel, with a backhand, no less.
And Superman being vulnerable to magic has no bearing on the speed, strength or durability of Atlas. We’ve seen Superman do just fine against the likes of Captain Marvel and Black Adam. Why does Atlas get dismissed due to his magical nature? He’s just that tough, and as my earlier scans show, that toughness extends to everyone, including your *****-made team. Hell, even Krypto couldn't put him down-
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-680?id=16368#4
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https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-680?id=16368#11
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-680?id=16368#13
-And as they established during the fight, his powers don't work like Supermans.
So, let’s summarize. I said Abhi would have nothing to rely on but his speed, and that he could offer no resistance to my versatility. That is EXACTLY what has happened. All he has been able to do is demonstrate some useless strength, and throw out some misleading scans. You can almost SEE his desperation at this point, because he knows he has no viable strategy or counter. He cannot address my illusions. He cannot address my telepathy, or my shapeshifting, or my teleportation. His team is frankly outmatched in almost every conceivable way. Hyperion may have the speed to reach Loki, but Loki has the speed to react, the shields, and most of all Atlas to run interference. As for Weapon H, Abhi has showed nothing to suggest he can reach any other combatant, and I have a plethora of ways to take him down from a distance.
This is our fight, and it’s clear that even Abhi knows it.
Alright, let’s address this train wreck…
That's it, that's the essence of what Martian Mind's whole approach to this whole post, it's a train wreck.
Actually, I’m not sure I should bother. I mean, Abhi has gone the exact route I said he would. “MaH sPeEd”. In doing so, he’s played directly into my hands, since I’ve already proven he doesn’t have any significant speed advantage, and that it wouldn’t save him even if he did. Beyond that, many of his scans are *shockingly* misrepresented, or he outright lies about what they depict. Does he not expect you judges to actually look at what he presents?
Well duh, speed kills, mate. That's evident when you have no speed feats to even post.
…yeah, nothing really significant here. All you’re saying is that Hyperion is fast and strong, and that you seem to be under the impression that Thor is in this fight. He isn’t. You are fighting Loki, who can turn invisible, teleport, cast illusions, transform you and your surroundings, and attack your mind. I showed all this is my initial post, in addition to counters to all your (well, your one available) strategies. You have shown no defence to any of mine. Hell, the LACK of evidence you’ve shown in regards to Weapon H’s speed is particularly damning, as we start 0.5K’s away from each other. In the time it takes you to cover that distance, Loki could be invisible, miles away, and attacking you in any number of ways. As for Atlas, well, his speed is beyond question-
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...677?id=16362#10
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...677?id=16362#11
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...677?id=16362#12
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https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...677?id=16362#21
-so Hyperion isn’t blitzing anyone. Which again, was Abhi’s ONLY hope.
Is this a serious post? I mean come on, he didn't post a single speed feat to show why Hyperion wouldn't just blitz his head off. And Atlas fighting Superman was explicitly due to Superman's magic vulnerability. I mean seriously?
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-680?id=16368
Atlas was beaten up by a random Kryptonian without the help.
https://postimg.cc/gallery/wjtW98D
So Iron man, literally working alongside a herald, drained himself try trying to break a shield that Loki wasn’t even concentrating on. What hope will your team have when Loki is actively giving his all? Assuming you could even get to me in the first place?
So, basically no rebuttal at all? Are you even trying here?
So…knocking out Thor and a diseased Hulk is the best you’ve got_? Again, Loki isn’t Thor, nor a weakened Hulk. He is far smarter, and far, far more versatile. You still have no counter for my endless assaults. Hell, if you even try to approach me, I can unleash enough force to knock out three Thor-level opponents-
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Th...e-441?id=8145#2
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Th...e-441?id=8145#3
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Th...e-441?id=8145#4
Yeah no, those three had been in a issue long fight with Thor's villains to the point even Skurge was beating two of them at once.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thor-1966/Issue-440?id=8144
Loki beat three tired Thors. Otherwise Thor alone beats the shit out of him singlehandedly.
More useless bluster and lowballing. I’ve just shown a fight where Loki manhandles three opponents comparable to Thor, in addition to a plethora of other powers. A few low showings don’t dismiss the fact that even if you SOMEHOW succeeded in getting your hands on me, the fight would STILL be up in the air.
Again, no rebuttal at all. Just random words with nothing to back them up.
…And we’re finishing strong, aren’t we? So many lies and lowballs. Thor’s “blitz” comes at the end of a protracted fight, where he had aid (as your own scan shows!) from Cap and Iron Man. Hell, your scan also shows that he FAILS to knock Loki unconscious. How is that in any way helpful to you? You want to reinforce my durability? Thanks, I guess?
Seriously? I mean c'mon, at least put a fight here.
Abhi, are you familiar with what a blitz is? Because a scan showing Hulk slamming a Loki he already has a hold of does NOT constitute a blitz. Now, if the match started with Weapon H holding Loki’s ankle, this MIGHT have helped you…
…Except Loki was perfectly fine after that attack, as well. Merely a little ruffled.
Haha, seriously? It was a long time before we see Loki coming out of the rubble, certainly not just ruffled. And Hulk didn't just randomly punt Loki like nothing.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Deadpool-s-Art-of-War/Issue-3?id=125378
Okay, so since apparently Abhi is having a bit of trouble understanding things today, let’s recap. One shot, means one hit. In those scans, which clearly depict a team fight, we can ACTUALLY SEE Steel hitting Atlas, Atlas hitting Steel, and then a cheap-shot to the back of head being the finisher. The one time we see them fight one-on-one (per the scans in my OP), Atlas literally one-shots Steel, with a backhand, no less.
Yeah, Steel knocked out Atlas, deal with it. Either Hyperion or Weapon H would beat him in one punch.
And Superman being vulnerable to magic has no bearing on the speed, strength or durability of Atlas. We’ve seen Superman do just fine against the likes of Captain Marvel and Black Adam. Why does Atlas get dismissed due to his magical nature? He’s just that tough, and as my earlier scans show, that toughness extends to everyone, including your *****-made team. Hell, even Krypto couldn't put him down-
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...-680?id=16368#4
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...-680?id=16368#5
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...-680?id=16368#6
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...-680?id=16368#7
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...-680?id=16368#9
Haha, this is just cute. Buddy fighting Superman (who was magically weakened and never used speed against Atlas) is not a proof of speed.
Krypto was straight up mauling him. And once again, Steel knocked Atlas out.
-And as they established during the fight, his powers don't work like Supermans.
So, let’s summarize. I said Abhi would have nothing to rely on but his speed, and that he could offer no resistance to my versatility. That is EXACTLY what has happened. All he has been able to do is demonstrate some useless strength, and throw out some misleading scans. You can almost SEE his desperation at this point, because he knows he has no viable strategy or counter. He cannot address my illusions. He cannot address my telepathy, or my shapeshifting, or my teleportation. His team is frankly outmatched in almost every conceivable way. Hyperion may have the speed to reach Loki, but Loki has the speed to react, the shields, and most of all Atlas to run interference. As for Weapon H, Abhi has showed nothing to suggest he can reach any other combatant, and I have a plethora of ways to take him down from a distance.
This is our fight, and it’s clear that even Abhi knows it.
Honestly, this wasn't worth my time. At all.
Martian's Final Post:
Alright, let’s wrap this farce up.
There isn’t actually much for me to address, as Abhi’s display this tournament has been…lacklustre, to say the least. All he’s been able to do is prove that he has no viable strategy, no counter for any of mine, and that when backed into a corner his only form of recourse is being kind of a dick. Hell, even with all the extra time he’s generously been given, he seems manifestly incapable of providing any form of rebuttal. Hell, his (delayed) second post barely featured anything approaching a scan, and failed to address ANY of my potential tactics.
So, to avoid any of us having to slog through Abhi’s trash again, let me be succinct.
I have the versatility here. Abhi hasn’t offered one shred of proof that he can counter magic, transmutation or a telepathic assault. All he’s claimed is that he has speed, or, more accurately, that Hyperion has speed. What he hasn’t done, is show that it’s enough for Hyperion to get past Atlas, who has proven he can consistently contend with Kryptonian-level foes. Superman’s weakness to magic may have played a part, but we all know that the magic weakness has never functioned similarly to kryptonite. Superman isn’t weakened by magics mere presence. Atlas still matched his speed and strength, and that of Krypto as well. Abhi lowballing and lying about his interaction with Steel doesn’t change that fact.
So, while Atlas keeps Hyperion busy, that means Weapon H (whose speed Abhi has never proved) is slowly lumbering towards Loki, who can either use an incantation to revert him to his human form, turn him into a frog, or mentally shut him down (see my first post for scans). Hell, Weapon H literally will never touch Loki, as he has no way to cope with his illusions, or his invisibility. He’s a useless, one-trick pony, much like Abhi himself.
So, it is then two-on-one. Now, Loki could clearly handle Hyperion himself, as again, Abhi has provided no evidence that he can resist any of Loki’s methods of attack, while I have shown that Loki is more than capable of physically contending with a Hyperion-level opponent. The very issue Abhi posted states that the enemies the Thor’s were fighting were dazed by their excursions through time, so even if the Thor’s were weakened, Loki was as well. Three Thors (hell, Bill alone) >Hyperion.
Now add Loki’s plethora of tricks, and Atlas running interference. What exactly is Hyperion going to do? Drool blood as Atlas beats down his mindless body? Croak indignantly as they step on his new frog form? Abhi hasn’t offered anything in the way of a plan B, and his Plan A was so incompetent, so poorly debated, that it feels as though it turned to shit even as he typed it. If he was so certain he had no chance, he should have just avoided wasting our time.
So, in summary:
I have countered all of Abhi’s points.
He has countered none of mine.
His options are limited to one, which clearly won’t work.
Mine are essentially endless.
This is my win, and it is abundantly clear that Abhi knows it. If only he had the strength of character to admit it…or at least put up some kind of a fight.
Received 2/3 verdicts for this match, which was enough to decide a winner.
Dambo's verdict:
So, I'm going to go ahead and say, that last post not being finished for Abhi really hurt you, and I would have been interested in how well you would have finished.But...this is still very difficult.
Atlas isn't fodder, but his Superman showing gets tempered by his loss to the random kryptonians. And honestly, a match up with either Hyperion or Weapon H would result in a loss.
The tricky part is Loki. Martian talked about intangibility, psychic attacks, high level energy blasts, shields, etc.
And as I see it:
Hyperion runs into a shield, breaks it, only to have Loki intangible and attack his mind. He doesn't go down easy but he does go down.
Likewise, Weapon H wrecks Atlas' shit and is left to deal with Loki, but despite an overwhelming physical advantage for Abhi's team, Loki turns the tide and I have to award the victory for Martian.
Good job both of you, fun read!
Verdict: Martian
Pr's verdict:
Thankfully, I know vague bits and pieces to very little about most of these characters, so it was up to the competitors to convince me with their arguments. I even did my best not to take what I knew about Atlas in to account, as hard as that was.A lot of bluster in these posts, and while I did appreciate the number of scans that were posted, I'm gonna be honest: I didn't feel like any of them were as convincing as I wanted them to be. I did like Martian's Loki plan though, and what he posted did make me think that he had a good, strong foundation of an argument. Then he brought up Atlas.
See, Abhi is right about Atlas. In the comics he appeared in, there was more than a little implication that he was given a definitive advantage that handicapped Superman, so this was not one of those "Superman fights the magic guy without outside interference" things. If anything, Abhi didn't argue that point hard enough for me. But he did it enough, is the issue here. And Abhi's assertion that Loki's shield wouldn't stand up to the attack he was bringing were definitely something to think about.
So what it basically came down to, for me, was whether Loki's telepathy would win, or whether the speedy physical attack of Hyperion and Weapon H was going to get the job done. And the truth was, even with Atlas not being Superman's equal... that doesn't really mean anything. He was still shown to be incredibly strong and powerful.
So, honestly, I was flip-flopping a bit for a while, but my instinct says Loki is the key here. I don't even know that much about the character, but I felt like Martian gave me enough to think about when he made more of an effort to go through Abhi's post and counter each point than vice versa. That was what clinched it for me, so I'm going to vote Martian_Mind.
Winner: Martian_mind
