ROTS Anakin vs TCW Maul and ROTS Dooku

^^ also the thing that confuses me Sidious was telling Dooku to hold back a bit and if things got out of hand or if aniken was too hard etc siduous will sort of intervene etc but not so sure ?

Originally posted by juggernaut74

However Dooku wasn't tapping into his rage/hatred in that fight.

Of course he was. He's a Sith.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Obi-Wan wanted to make sure they didn't make him mad to the point where he fought with anger which in return would make him stronger.

Quote?

It's from the Jr novel-

In a lull between fierce exchanges, Anakin gave Dooku a frightening smile and said, "My powers have doubled since we last met, Count."
No, Anakin, Obi-Wan thought. Don't taunt him. Anger fed the dark side; they didn't need Dooku's power to be any greater than it already was. "Good," the Count said calmly. "Twice the pride, double the fall."
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That was just Kenobi's own personal concern when he didn't have any idea that Anakin himself would also be channeling the dark side during the fight. But as we know- when Anakin used the dark side for a moment at the end, he raped Dooku in seconds.

But yeah, Dooku was a SITH, and was obviously fighting in that capacity (just like he did in every other appearance during TCW.)

Basically, Jedi Anakin was about equal to Dooku, and dark side Anakin >> Dooku.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Of course he was. He's a Sith.

Originally posted by Sheev
But yeah, Dooku was a SITH, and was obviously fighting in that capacity (just like he did in every other appearance during TCW.)

Not sure why something so obvious would ever need to be questioned, though..? Like you guys said: Dooku was a Sith, after all -- of course he's going to fully embrace the emotions and whatnot that go along with the title.

But I digress...

Being a Sith don't mean you are fighting with rage and anger all the time like Anakin was at that moment

The novel makes is clear Kenobi was trying to make sure Dooku did not tap into his anger.

Originally posted by juggernaut74

The novel makes is clear Kenobi was trying to make sure Dooku did not tap into his anger.

No that's not what it said at all. He was already tapped into his anger, Obi-Wan just didn't want him to tap into MORE of his anger. But he obviously would have used every tool at his disposal once Anakin was trouncing him.

You don't think the duo surprising him with their style feigning would have made Dooku angry , hateful and fearful (all of which feed the dark side)? You don't think Anakin kicking Dooku in the chest and knocking him off the balcony would have made him even angrier , more hateful, and more fearful? You dont think Dooku would have become even MORE angry, hateful and fearful when Anakin started throttling him? Lol, okay juggy.... 🙄

Any way you look at it, this was still the SAME Sith Dooku, who was fighting in the SAME way he did throughout TCW, and Anakin raped him in seconds just by using the dark side for a moment.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No that's not what it said at all. He was already tapped into his anger, Obi-Wan just didn't want him to tap into MORE of his anger. But he obviously would have used every tool at his disposal once Anakin was trouncing him.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
That's exactly what it says. It says specifically he didn't want to make him stronger than he already was.

Yes, but he failed in stopping Dooku accessing his Dark Side Powers.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yes, but he failed in stopping Dooku accessing his Dark Side Powers.

Sidious also mentions that if Anakin didn't use his rage he wouldn't be able to beat Dooku.

This really isn't debateable.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Dooku is a Sith he always uses Dark Side powers.

Given Dark Side powers are only possible via hate, rage, fear, I accept your concession on the matter.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Sidious also mentions that if Anakin didn't use his rage he wouldn't be able to beat Dooku.

Yeah because Sidious is biased towards the dark side like that.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
This really isn't debateable.

I agree it's not debateable at all that Dark Side Anakin > Dark Side Dooku.

Darkside rage bonered amped Anakin beat Dooku who was calm and collected.

That's what went down.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Darkside rage bonered amped Anakin beat Dooku who was calm and collected.

That's what went down.

cool reckon if Dooku fully tapped in to his rage etc that he would have just bested Aniken ? What reckon as well Galan ?

Originally posted by ozz81
cool reckon if Dooku fully tapped in to his rage etc that he would have just bested Aniken ? What reckon as well Galan ?

Originally posted by ozz81
cool reckon if Dooku fully tapped in to his rage etc that he would have just bested Aniken ? What reckon as well Galan ?

As has already been explained, Dooku is a Sith and he uses the dark side. He's always tapping into those darker emotions like anger and hate.

Originally posted by ares834
As has already been explained, Dooku is a Sith and he uses the dark side. He's always tapping into those darker emotions like anger and hate.

And?

Oh boy.

Oh boy what? Seriously, your point is non-existent. "Rage-amped" Anakin is just dark side RotS Anakin. There is no reason to believe he is operating at a far higher level then during Knightfall.

DS Anakin is just flat out far more powerful than Dooku.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Darkside rage bonered amped Anakin beat Dooku who was calm and collected.

That's what went down.

Labyrinth of Evil
Dooku seated himself and watched them go at it. Hopeless, he thought. But he knew that he was partly to blame. He had made the same mistake with Grievous that he had made with Ventress, by allowing her to fill herself with hate, as if hate could substitute for dispassion. Even the most hateful could be defeated. Even the most angry. There should be no emotion in killing, no self, only the act. When he should have been helping Ventress rid herself of self, he had instead permitted her to grow impassioned. Sidious had once confessed that he had erred similarly in his training of Darth Maul. Ventress and Maul had been driven by a desire to excel - - to be the best - - instead of merely allowing themselves to be pure instruments of the dark side. The Jedi knew this about the Force: that the best of them were nothing more than instruments.