Portland Gestapo
Portland Gestapo
I can't even imagine why they'd wanna use unmarked vehicles.
It's not like violent anarchists would target marked police and government vehicles.
Oh wait...
I said it before: the real butthurt here is the tactic works. People are being picked up no muss no fuss. No real chance to smash a brick or a bottle over a cops head, etc.
And the best part: no bail funds to donate to in order to bail them out since it's the feds picking them up. What will celebrities and the biden campaign spend their money on now?!
Do you think maybe it's the lefts anti-semitism acting on a subconscious level that makes them wanna cheapen the meaning of terms like "gestapo" and "nazi" and "concentration camp" ? Or is it a conscious choice they are making to do this?
EDIT: I suppose the third option is they are dumb enough to truly believe they are using these words in the correct context. That's quite frightening because what happens when these people take power again? It will happen sooner or later, even if it's not in 2020.
Local government wasn't doing shit to curb these things so what should have been done? Treat them like children and let these people tire themselves out?
Cuz we can treat them like children if they want, but then it would have to be in every way, not just when it comes to violence. So children can't consume alcohol, so that's out. Can't buy condoms or get birth control(not that these people are having any sex to begin with). Can't own a firearm. Can't see a PG-13 movie without an adult present. Can't rent a hotel room, etc.
If the local government was unwilling to do anything then they should restructure their laws and police in such a manner that it is in line with their values. That seems like a local issue. I don't think the federal government should barge in on that. If the local government requests federal help, that help should be given in a transparent manner, i.e by officers that are in marked vehicles with visible badges, and a clear transparent right to speedy trial, where the government must provide enough evidence beyond the word of police officers for a conviction.
Whether you see protestors as children or not that relevant to me, this is an issue of how a state should conduct itself towards its citizens, and I find this inappropriate.
Originally posted by Artol
If the local government was unwilling to do anything then they should restructure their laws and police in such a manner that it is in line with their values.
Given what their values are this is a chilling thought.
That seems like a local issue. I don't think the federal government should barge in on that. If the local government requests federal help, that help should be given in a transparent manner, i.e by officers that are in marked vehicles with visible badges, and a clear transparent right to speedy trial, where the government must provide enough evidence beyond the word of police officers for a conviction.Whether you see protestors as children or not that relevant to me, this is an issue of how a state should conduct itself towards its citizens, and I find this inappropriate.
The problem, and I suspect you know this, is that it's not easy nor quick to restructure laws. And I'd imagine, due to the pandemic, it'd take even longer to do so than it normally would.
So what are the citizens of Portland supposed to do in the meantime?
Originally posted by Artol
I don't think this is Trump's fault, and it doesn't seem illegal in the US. But I do think it shows another way in which law enforcement have too much power and seem almost unaccountable to citizens.
That cuts both ways though. Citizens need to be held accountable.
The Chop zones prove local tactics weren't working
Originally posted by Surtur
Given what their values are this is a chilling thought.The problem, and I suspect you know this, is that it's not easy nor quick to restructure laws. And I'd imagine, due to the pandemic, it'd take even longer to do so than it normally would.
So what are the citizens of Portland supposed to do in the meantime?
The citizens of Portland have local representation and state representation. Protests, should not involve federal executive enforcement, unless specifically requested by the local representation, imo. And either way I don't see why, if they do want to intervene, they can not do so in a clearly marked manner, instead of covertly. Tbh I think generally Republicans would agree, if it wasn't for the partisan nature of this, they do not think the federal government should expert it's power in local matter to such a degree.
Originally posted by cdtm
That cuts both ways though. Citizens need to be held accountable.The Chop zones prove local tactics weren't working
Citizens need to be held accountable (locally) for their actions that do not fall under their right to free expression and to assemble. The state has the much more powerful position and has to be held to the highest standard of transparency and democracy however.
Originally posted by Artol
The citizens of Portland have local representation and state representation. Protests, should not involve federal executive enforcement, unless specifically requested by the local representation, imo. And either way I don't see why, if they do want to intervene, they can not do so in a clearly marked manner, instead of covertly. Tbh I think generally Republicans would agree, if it wasn't for the partisan nature of this, they do not think the federal government should expert it's power in local matter to such a degree.
Federal property had been vandalized.
That's their justification fior intervention.
They actually have no interest in the general protest, only in protecting their property.