Joker vs Punisher H2H

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's not a reach, it's a fact.

Don't remember you ever getting this wet for Joker, Harley I Am.

i just think you're justifying his lack of traditional MA training with an inability to be dangerous in a h2h scenario. he has shown strength, ingenuity, agility and speed that warrants a nod.

When he was on dionesium, yes.

Without it, he couldn't even take Harley in h2h.

Had to cheat in order to beat Lex, who barely had any training.

Got easily handled by venomless Bane without managing to tag him once.

As much as I prefer Joker, Punisher rips him apart.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
When he was on dionesium, yes.

Without it, he couldn't even take Harley in h2h.

Had to cheat in order to beat Lex, who barely had any training.

Got easily handled by venomless Bane without managing to tag him once.

Yet even without it he's taken multiple crowbars to the head with a smile. You're lowballing has almost reached Alberto levels.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Yet even without it he's taken multiple crowbars to the head with a smile. You're lowballing has almost reached Alberto levels.

He has. He's sometimes written to even enjoy the pain and asking for more. And... what?

He still became Jason's prisoner and b!tch.

He beat Damian, yes - wow - but he's not fighting a kid here.

Joker has more bad combat showings than good ones. You want to cherry-pick, then I can cherry-pick Punisher tanking Rulk's punch and getting up right after it. Or Iron Fist's punches.

And AQUAMAN

Enjoying the pain doesn't somehow negate the toll it takes.

Frank would lose to Jason as well

And?

Not cherry picking just stating facts. I also didn't mention pis like you just did

Joker is so good, Damian thought Oberon was Batman:

Get him, Sin.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Enjoying the pain doesn't somehow negate the toll it takes.

Exactly.

Which is why Joker can and has been put down without much effort plenty of times.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Frank would lose to Jason as well

Keep dreaming.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
And?

And you really think he can beat anyone on the Punisher level?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Not cherry picking just stating facts. I also didn't mention pis like you just did

But you did.

Joker has no business fighting elite martial artists, it's not what he does. It's not how he operates.

What department do you think Joker is superior at? Getting his butt kicked? If so, then yeah, he's sort of an expert when it comes to it.

Frank stomps withpot plot armour for Joker.

I agree... but who are you?

You registered in 2017 and barely posted?

Lurking most of the time, perhaps? Or it's your secondary account?

PM me, if you're afraid of big nasty Pr sniffing you out 😉

Stilt, stop harrassing people.

And tbh, as much as I want to give you shit for lowballing Joker (which I think you're doing), Frank obviously has better feats. Too often we see that Joker has beaten Dick or Jason, but it's off panel so we don't actually get to see the fight. He's implied to be a lot of things, but he needs more specific feats.

Hey, I'm just curious.

He can keep his secrets.

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Frank is consistent.

Joker relies on prep, specific scenarios, henchmen and toys.

This is a hand-to-hand match --- it's not Joker's area of expertise. It never has been.

Joker is a better shooter, I'll post scans when I get back

Punisher tags Spider-Man and Daredevil.

Both in h2h and when using guns.

Yeah, but Joker can use the DNA strike.

Oh, yes.

The DNA strike is his ace in the hole, pretty much an instant OHK attack.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hey, I'm just curious.

He can keep his secrets.

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Frank is consistent.

Joker relies on prep, specific scenarios, henchmen and toys.

This is a hand-to-hand match --- it's not Joker's area of expertise. It never has been.

Eh, I wouldn't go so far as to say he relies on it. It's just his preferred way of doing shit.

Leave venomless Bane alone, though. That guy was written as a beast during Simon's Secret Six run.

What would you say, then? Then he just runs free and kills people with his bare hands?

Again, that's not how he operates. He's not Carnage. At the very least, he needs some basic weapons and the element of surprise.

Bane sure is tough even without venom, but Joker failed to tag him even once.

What Bane and Frank both have in common is that they don't mind getting tagged as long as they do their job done... yet Joker couldn't do even that.

And it wasn't during the Secret Six run.