Originally posted by StiltmanFTWBeerus being shocked that anyone could become powerful enough to beat Freeza in the 30ish years he was asleep is understandable.
Honestly, I feel that Beerus slept for too long and forgot Frieza's power level.
Before the Namek saga, Freeza's power was legitimately unparalleled. His PL was 120m, and his next closest rival was Ginyu, who 'only' had a PL of 120,000. So when Beerus went to sleep, Freeza was literally 1,000x stronger than anyone else.
But post-Boo saga base Goku still being weaker than Freeza does seem really strange. I mean, Goku's base PL by the end of the Namek saga was 3m... IOW, his base power increased by less than 40x in the 12+ years between the Namek and Boo sagas? Umm... Okay? 😕
Yeah, the Kais were all powerful enough to one-shot Freeza according to Shin. I was just talking about 'mortal' characters there.
But yeah, Shin is easily one of the biggest dipshits in the series. Dude supposedly rules the entire universe, but he consistently knows nothing about what's going on in his domain.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilSure, but Shin has still been the Supreme Kai of U7 for millions(?) of years, and was the Kaioshin of the East for who-knows-how-long prior to that... So you'd *think* the guy would be a little more in touch with his domain by now.
To be fair, he only has that position because everyone else died.
Originally posted by Galan007You know he will, he's too arrogant.
If Krillin spams Destructo Discs and gives Tien a chance to drop a Neo-Kikoho on Freeza, they can win.Barring that, Freeza stomps.
Not to the extent of Cell, but he let Vegeta shoot off a full-power blast and kicked it away.
The Kikoho will drop him. and even do long-lasting damage.
Also, you think Freeza stomps in the Buu saga? Didn't Tien momentarily hold off Buu?
Originally posted by JmanghanFreeza would have been vastly more powerful than the humans as of the Boo saga. Even post-Boo saga base Goku still wasn't on Freeza's level, as confirmed in BoG/DBS.
Also, you think Freeza stomps in the Buu saga? Didn't Tien momentarily hold off Buu?
No, Tien didn't hold Boo back, but the Kikoho did disperse one of Bootenks' blasts when struck from the side:
https://i.imgur.com/pFHu7Pb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/e19eNPe.jpg
But that's hard to gauge, because Boo's blast was only meant to kill Mr. Satan and Dende, so it likely didn't contain a whole lot of power.
But the Neo-Kikoho did momentarily keep Semi-Perfect Cell at bay. That's more than enough to say that it could conceivably cause massive damage to Freeza, imo... IF it actually connected.