Sun dipped Superman (owaw) vs Exitar

Originally posted by Enzeru
What a weird argument.

It doesn't matter what each hero can do on average. In a battle, where we have a legion of heroes compete against each other, we usually always look at the 2-4 top dogs and then try to decide between them. All the others are non-factors.

So even though Rogue absorbed the powers of Iceman, it didn't mean much in the strength department. It was adding up for sure, but the literal heavy lifting was done by other heroes. Heroes like Hyperion, Hulk, Blue Marvel. Rogue was being teleported all over the planet so that she could collect other peoples power and use that in the attempt to stop Exitar.

So all these mountains you're talking about automatically don't mean shit, because having Hyperions power alone allows Rogue to keep two Earths and potentially entire universes from colliding with each other. It allows her to slow down planets bigger than Earth traveling at 500.000 miles per hour.

Not saying that Superman can't replicate those two feats... but then you also give Rogue Hulks strength and I'm sure that Carver will be more than happy to tell you all the things Hulk has done. What about Blue Marvel? Dude almost split a moon in half by throwing a piece of metal at it. What about Hercules? Did Rogue have his power as well? Dude held the heavens up.
And then you have Death Seed Sentry supporting her against Exitar, the most powerful superhero Marvel had ever seen.

I mean... Will you honestly make the argument that Superman rivals Amped Rogues and Sentrys power? You can't be serious.
Exitar is one of the most powerful celestials. There has to be a limit to what punching, kicking and heat vision can accomplish. And that's all Superman can do.

But that again leads us to this weird debate about the two versions of Superman: The one, where he is simply to most powerful Kryptonian, yet still has his clear limits... and the other where he is a metafictional character, who HAS to win, because he HAS to save to do, so he DOES win all the time no matter how big the threat is. And I'm not a fan of that version of Superman, because it only appears in very select stories, where certain writers jerk off into an envelope and send that in.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, its often asked just how powerful Sundipped Superman was compared to normal Superman in OWAW.

So first lets see how Normal Superman, Captain Marvel, Captain Atom and Wonder Woman were faring against mere hardlight constructs of Warworld.

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Not great it seems. Entropy Aegis comes and oneshots all of them in one panel.

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Now Warworld's tendril that was connecting to Earth. It was so strong that a suicide attempt by Maxima and Massacre was just enough to send a shiver through it.

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Entropy Aegis severed it in one attack though. The tendrils healed back.

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And even Themyscira thrown to the tendril barely caused any trouble to it.

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Superman, Captain Marvel and Captain Atom were unable to do anything to it apparently, so they went in to divert B13's attention. So far so good.

Until B13 makes the tendrils a hundred times more powerful and even Entropy Aegis is useless.

Superman sundipped and effortlessly broke the conduits/tendrils magnified hundredfold in power when normal Superman couldn't take it on at normal level along with several top tiers.

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Superman was at least powered up by a factor of hundreds.

Sundipped Superman is hundreds of times stronger than normal Superman. Exitar will be scrap under such power, heck just Brainiac 13 with Warworld was Exitar level, Superman overpowered Brainiac when he also had Imperiex's power.

Well since Hulk is Hulk, Superman is Superman.

And when nearly dying, Superman shattered a planet. That's not talking about "normal" Superman

Originally posted by Enzeru
What a weird argument.

It doesn't matter what each hero can do on average. In a battle, where we have a legion of heroes compete against each other, we usually always look at the 2-4 top dogs and then try to decide between them. All the others are non-factors.

So even though Rogue absorbed the powers of Iceman, it didn't mean much in the strength department. It was adding up for sure, but the literal heavy lifting was done by other heroes. Heroes like Hyperion, Hulk, Blue Marvel. Rogue was being teleported all over the planet so that she could collect other peoples power and use that in the attempt to stop Exitar.

So all these mountains you're talking about automatically don't mean shit, because having Hyperions power alone allows Rogue to keep two Earths and potentially entire universes from colliding with each other. It allows her to slow down planets bigger than Earth traveling at 500.000 miles per hour.

Not saying that Superman can't replicate those two feats... but then you also give Rogue Hulks strength and I'm sure that Carver will be more than happy to tell you all the things Hulk has done. What about Blue Marvel? Dude almost split a moon in half by throwing a piece of metal at it. What about Hercules? Did Rogue have his power as well? Dude held the heavens up.
And then you have Death Seed Sentry supporting her against Exitar, the most powerful superhero Marvel had ever seen.

I mean... Will you honestly make the argument that Superman rivals Amped Rogues and Sentrys power? You can't be serious.
Exitar is one of the most powerful celestials. There has to be a limit to what punching, kicking and heat vision can accomplish. And that's all Superman can do.

But that again leads us to this weird debate about the two versions of Superman: The one, where he is simply to most powerful Kryptonian, yet still has his clear limits... and the other where he is a metafictional character, who HAS to win, because he HAS to save to do, so he DOES win all the time no matter how big the threat is. And I'm not a fan of that version of Superman, because it only appears in very select stories, where certain writers jerk off into an envelope and send that in.

I just gave you a feat by OWAW Superman overpowering thousands of galaxies worth of power. You completely ignored it when posting. Let's say 1 or 2 of the heroes can lift a planet (the others are specks of dust). Then wouldn't Superman still be astronomically stronger?

Mind you, regular Superman can exert more than 50 Earth weights of force.
This is a sun dipped Superman (for more than several minutes) whose power is astronomically more than normal Superman.

So you claiming that there was a hero on Earth that can exert astronomically more force than 50 Earth weights? Which hero and why? Let's not even go with the galaxies of power argument. Let's start small and say astronomically more than 50 Earth weights.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

But saying you don't like that version.....doesn't negate it from happening. I understand that for a battleboard that's problematic, but like I've said many times, writers don't give two hoots about consistency with power levels.

But this isn't even about power levels. This is about how a character is meant to be in general.

Saitama AKA One-Punch Man is a joke character, who wins by default all of the time.
Superman is a very powerful being most of the time – and occasionally becomes a meta character, who HAS to win, because he is SUPERMAN. If Superman was like that, I wouldn't have a problem with it:
Oh, Superman is going up against a multiversal reality warper, who can put universes into boxes and throw them into the fire? And he beats that guy by punching him in the face? Yeah sure, why not, nothing matters. But there are enough stories where Superman isn't portrayed that way.

And then the question becomes: Who is the authority on saying if Superman is a meta character, who wins every single battle board by default, because he is Superman?
As I said, I wouldn't have any issues, if Superman was portrayed that way all of the time, but that's just not the case.
While at the same time... Saitama? Put him up against anyone with better feats and I'll still go with Saitama, because winning by default is what Saitama does.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

We see it with Sentry. Invisible Woman is able to hold him and the entire Cancerverse off with a planet sized shield (having cloaked said planet for days).

No. Sentry is just a comically powerful character. Changing reality, being immortal, creating constructs powerful enough to break all of Hulks bones etc...

All of that is ridiculously overpowered, but there is still a line with that character. Even though the line is unestablished as hell and I wouldn't know where he would max out, he should max out, because he isn't portrayed as universal / multiversal / omniversal anything.

But by the way you and some other people argue, there is no line for Superman, because he is Superman. Oh, so you're an omniversal reality warper? Doesn't matter. Superman will punch you in the face or vibrate or some shit and you'll lose. Nothing matters.
But then you have extensive stories, where Superman unleashes a solar flare, burns a continent down or some shit and is then rendered powerless for weeks – and has to deal with the aftermath. Those are the stakes then, which make for good Superman stories. And there are more of these stories than there are, where Superman is a joke character, where every outcome is undeniable: Thano--Superman wins.

Originally posted by Enzeru
But this isn't even about power levels. This is about how a character is meant to be in general.

Saitama AKA One-Punch Man is a joke character, who wins by default all of the time.
Superman is a very powerful being most of the time – and occasionally becomes a meta character, who HAS to win, because he is SUPERMAN. If Superman was like that, I wouldn't have a problem with it:
Oh, Superman is going up against a multiversal reality warper, who can put universes into boxes and throw them into the fire? And he beats that guy by punching him in the face? Yeah sure, why not, nothing matters. But there are enough stories where Superman isn't portrayed that way.

And then the question becomes: Who is the authority on saying if Superman is a meta character, who wins every single battle board by default, because he is Superman?
As I said, I wouldn't have any issues, if Superman was portrayed that way all of the time, but that's just not the case.
While at the same time... Saitama? Put him up against anyone with better feats and I'll still go with Saitama, because winning by default is what Saitama does.

No. Sentry is just a comically powerful character. Changing reality, being immortal, creating constructs powerful enough to break all of Hulks bones etc...

All of that is ridiculously overpowered, but there is still a line with that character. Even though the line is unestablished as hell and I wouldn't know where he would max out, he should max out, because he isn't portrayed as universal / multiversal / omniversal anything.

But by the way you and some other people argue, there is no line for Superman, because he is Superman. Oh, so you're an omniversal reality warper? Doesn't matter. Superman will punch you in the face or vibrate or some shit and you'll lose. Nothing matters.
But then you have extensive stories, where Superman unleashes a solar flare, burns a continent down or some shit and is then rendered powerless for weeks – and has to deal with the aftermath. Those are the stakes then, which make for good Superman stories. And there are more of these stories than there are, where Superman is a joke character, where every outcome is undeniable: Thano--Superman wins.

Agreed - but those are comic fights. The same fights were Flash can outrun time/death/light/speed, yet gets hit by a gorilla.

Or Batman is a human, yet hangs with heralds. Hell ,even hanging with low metas is an achievement.

Forum fights? Where we have Full Capacity? Very different.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Agreed - but those are comic fights. The same fights were Flash can outrun time/death/light/speed, yet gets hit by a gorilla.

Or Batman is a human, yet hangs with heralds. Hell ,even hanging with low metas is an achievement.

Forum fights? Where we have Full Capacity? Very different.

So your argument is: since there were 10 out of 1000 Superman stories, where Superman was the omniverses greatest anti-body, he gets to be the omniverses greatest anti-body in every board battle he is put in?

I mean, you do understand, that Superman at that point wins everything by default, right? All logic is thrown out of the window, so that Superman can win. No matter how powerful you are / no matter on how high of a dimension you reside... Superman will punch you in the face and you will lose. And if punching you in the face doesn't work on you, because you don't need a physical body to exist, he will just vibrate, sing a song and you'll still lose.

We've had this discussion a couple of weeks ago. Why not ban Superman from boards then? What's the point in using him, when Superman stories and board battles always boil down to him winning, because he is Superman? His origin doesn't matter and his power set doesn't matter. He wins because he is Superman. But at least we'll be able to use Supergirl and Zod. They have the same origins and the same power set with the exact same strengths and weaknesses. But they can lose, because they're not Superman.

Originally posted by Enzeru
So your argument is: since there were 10 out of 1000 Superman stories, where Superman was the omniverses greatest anti-body, he gets to be the omniverses greatest anti-body in every board battle he is put in?

I mean, you do understand, that Superman at that point wins everything by default, right? All logic is thrown out of the window, so that Superman can win. No matter how powerful you are / no matter on how high of a dimension you reside... Superman will punch you in the face and you will lose. And if punching you in the face doesn't work on you, because you don't need a physical body to exist, he will just vibrate, sing a song and you'll still lose.

We've had this discussion a couple of weeks ago. Why not ban Superman from boards then? What's the point in using him, when Superman stories and board battles always boil down to him winning, because he is Superman? His origin doesn't matter and his power set doesn't matter. He wins because he is Superman. But at least we'll be able to use Supergirl and Zod. They have the same origins and the same power set with the exact same strengths and weaknesses. But they can lose, because they're not Superman.

No one is arguing that logic (that's a no limit fallacy). We argue using feats. We've been giving feats showing that Superman (sundipped) is astromonically more than those 100 heroes put together (since the vast majority of them are specks of dust).

and you didn't address this

Originally posted by h1a8
I just gave you a feat by OWAW Superman overpowering thousands of galaxies worth of power. You completely ignored it when posting. Let's say 1 or 2 of the heroes can lift a planet (the others are specks of dust). Then wouldn't Superman still be astronomically stronger?

Mind you, regular Superman can exert more than 50 Earth weights of force.
This is a sun dipped Superman (for more than several minutes) whose power is astronomically more than normal Superman.

So you claiming that there was a hero on Earth that can exert astronomically more force than 50 Earth weights? Which hero and why? Let's not even go with the galaxies of power argument. Let's start small and say astronomically more than 50 Earth weights.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But saying you don't like that version.....doesn't negate it from happening. I understand that for a battleboard that's problematic, but like I've said many times, writers don't give two hoots about consistency with power levels.

We see it with Sentry. Invisible Woman is able to hold him and the entire Cancerverse off with a planet sized shield (having cloaked said planet for days).

Fat Cobra is able to suck the Void out.

Okoye, a normal human, is able to affect him with a spear.

It just....is.

By the by, Superman can do more than punch/kick/HV. But that's by the by.

And Superman has been knocked out by tractors and gas tank explosions. Superman probably has more low showings than any other hero period ( and highs) so if we're gonna low-ball Sentry it's fair to point those out .

Also, didn't Aquaman destroy a probe? I mean...let's not act like they are unbeatable

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
And Superman has been knocked out by tractors and gas tank explosions. Superman probably has more low showings than any other hero period ( and highs) so if we're gonna low-ball Sentry it's fair to point those out .

Also, didn't Aquaman destroy a probe? I mean...let's not act like they are unbeatable

Yeah but that's not my point lmao.

Enzeru was saying Superman had mixed showings.

I agreed.

And pointed out hey, all characters have low showings.

You then bringing up the low showings is....I'm not saying Superman doesn't (although the difference between a gas tank and Okoye with a normal spear is astronomical). I am saying on the forum, with Full Capacity, we don't use low showings.

Aquaman used the Trident of Poseidon. Noone here said they were unbeatable?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well since Hulk is Hulk, Superman is Superman.

And when nearly dying, Superman shattered a planet. That's not talking about "normal" Superman

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
And Superman has been knocked out by tractors and gas tank explosions. Superman probably has more low showings than any other hero period ( and highs) so if we're gonna low-ball Sentry it's fair to point those out .

Also, didn't Aquaman destroy a probe? I mean...let's not act like they are unbeatable

A couple of people beat Probes. They are far from unbeatable.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Enzeru was saying Superman had mixed showings.

No, I never said that, because that's not the way I think. That way of thinking is the reason why I'm not that active on battle board anymore.

I don't look at a characters highest showings and their lowest showings and then try to figure out the middle ground for that character. That approach always leads to bias, even if it's unconscious. That's what the vast majority of people on battle boards do:

1. They see a fight between two characters in the title of a thread,
2. They form their opinion on who is going to win (it often being the character they prefer),
3. They enter the thread and their argument is always the same: "Superman wins, because he is the omniverses greatest anti-body and Sentry got kicked in the balls by Hercules",
4. If they encounter an opposing opinion, the Backfire Effect kicks in and their belief that Superman wins, doesn't get challenged – it actually gets stronger.

You can't win an argument on the internet. Which is why in the last few weeks, months or even years I stopped trying to argue with people and instead just laid out my takes on the battles in great detail and let other people decide for themselves. So when someone googles who would win between Superman and Sentry, they come across the thread... and then they see the posts of your typical hurrrdurrr Superdudebro with their "Supes wins bro, Sentry sucks major ass" ... and they see my posts, where I actually try to argue and reason.

Now that was a probably unnecessarily long and detailed setup for my actual answer to your question:

No, I am not saying that Superman has mixed showings. I am perfectly willing to take all of Supermans greatest feats (the same I do for every other character) and put those up against other characters. I don't look at the times where Superman couldn't do this and that and use that as his base power level. I look at what Superman can do at his best, just like I look at what Thor, Sentry, Hulk, Shazam, Flash and all the others can do at their best.

I just don't consider the occasional times when Superman is a meta character as his true highest showings. Superman "defeated" Mr. Mxyzptlk and Doctor Manhattan, but he isn't more powerful than these characters.
Superman punched the World Forger in the face, but he isn't more powerful than the World Forger. Unfortunately you do have crazed Superman fanboys, who do think that Superman is more powerful than World Forger and could just kill him like that, because he is Superman... but these people then also laugh at Thor, who at his best can make characters like the Chaos King whine in pain, when he hits them with his lightning.

Double standards. Double standards everywhere.

Originally posted by Enzeru
No, I never said that, because that's not the way I think. That way of thinking is the reason why I'm not that active on battle board anymore.

I don't look at a characters highest showings and their lowest showings and then try to figure out the middle ground for that character. That approach always leads to bias, even if it's unconscious. That's what the vast majority of people on battle boards do:

1. They see a fight between two characters in the title of a thread,
2. They form their opinion on who is going to win (it often being the character they prefer),
3. They enter the thread and their argument is always the same: "Superman wins, because he is the omniverses greatest anti-body and Sentry got kicked in the balls by Hercules",
4. If they encounter an opposing opinion, the Backfire Effect kicks in and their belief that Superman wins, doesn't get challenged – it actually gets stronger.

You can't win an argument on the internet. Which is why in the last few weeks, months or even years I stopped trying to argue with people and instead just laid out my takes on the battles in great detail and let other people decide for themselves. So when someone googles who would win between Superman and Sentry, they come across the thread... and then they see the posts of your typical hurrrdurrr Superdudebro with their "Supes wins bro, Sentry sucks major ass" ... and they see my posts, where I actually try to argue and reason.

Now that was a probably unnecessarily long and detailed setup for my actual answer to your question:

No, I am not saying that Superman has mixed showings. I am perfectly willing to take all of Supermans greatest feats (the same I do for every other character) and put those up against other characters. I don't look at the times where Superman couldn't do this and that and use that as his base power level. I look at what Superman can do at his best, just like I look at what Thor, Sentry, Hulk, Shazam, Flash and all the others can do at their best.

I just don't consider the occasional times when Superman is a meta character as his true highest showings. Superman "defeated" Mr. Mxyzptlk and Doctor Manhattan, but he isn't more powerful than these characters.
Superman punched the World Forger in the face, but he isn't more powerful than the World Forger. Unfortunately you do have crazed Superman fanboys, who do think that Superman is more powerful than World Forger and could just kill him like that, because he is Superman... but these people then also laugh at Thor, who at his best can make characters like the Chaos King whine in pain, when he hits them with his lightning.

Double standards. Double standards everywhere.

You forever focused on the arguments that you think you can beat and ignore the ones that you can't.

Let's say that Superman and Hyperion are equals and that the 99 other heroes add up to another Hyperion. So Rogue had the power of 2 Hyperions.

Now sun dipped Superman is astronomically more powerful than regular Superman. That's more than 10x more powerful.

So again, sundipped Superman > Rogue amped and Death Sentry.

Originally posted by h1a8

You forever focused on the arguments that you think you can beat and ignore the ones that you can't.

Your arguments are kinda dumb and not really worth my time, so I choose to avoid you like any argument on Twitter involving race, sexual orientation or religion.

Originally posted by h1a8

Let's say that Superman and Hyperion are equals

Let's not say they're equals.

They both have feats the other doesn't have. You can talk about Superman reading a lot of books in a library really fast and I can talk about Hyperion surviving the collision of two universes. Did Superman ever survive being at the center of two colliding universes? How about sun dipped Superman? Not that I know of. So what is your argument at that point? That Superman can survive it, because Hyperion did it as well? And they're equals? Eh.

Originally posted by h1a8

and that the 99 other heroes add up to another Hyperion. So Rogue had the power of 2 Hyperions.

This is what I'm talking about.

Where is this dumb ass statement coming from? Not 100 heroes. Over 100. From all over the world. With one of them being the Hulk. Blue Marvel too maybe. Hercules too maybe. All of that is adding up way beyond just one second Hyperion.

Originally posted by h1a8

Now sun dipped Superman is astronomically more powerful than regular Superman. That's more than 10x more powerful. So again, sundipped Superman > Rogue amped and Death Sentry.

I think we both know that Death Seed Sentry slap the living b1tch out of Superman, sun dipped or not.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Your arguments are kinda dumb and not really worth my time, so I choose to avoid you like any argument on Twitter involving race, sexual orientation or religion.

Let's not say they're equals.

They both have feats the other doesn't have. You can talk about Superman reading a lot of books in a library really fast and I can talk about Hyperion surviving the collision of two universes. Did Superman ever survive being at the center of two colliding universes? How about sun dipped Superman? Not that I know of. So what is your argument at that point? That Superman can survive it, because Hyperion did it as well? And they're equals? Eh.

This is what I'm talking about.

Where is this dumb ass statement coming from? Not 100 heroes. Over 100. From all over the world. With one of them being the Hulk. Blue Marvel too maybe. Hercules too maybe. All of that is adding up way beyond just one second Hyperion.

I think we both know that Death Seed Sentry slap the living b1tch out of Superman, sun dipped or not.

Im talking about equals in strength idiot. How else is Superman going to beat Exitar. With HV?

Blue Marvel, Hercules, etc. are specks of dust as I shown. Unless you have feats by them that's beyond 50 Earth weights of force?

You are doing nothing more of stating what you want to be as an argument.

We use feats to debate. I gave you feats from Superman. You gave me a feat by Hyperion. Although Superman's feat are superior, I said assume they are equal.

Prove that those Heroes have the combined strength to exert 50 Earth weights of force.

If you do that then congrats, you just proven they are equal to normal Superman.

Next step, prove that they are astronomically stronger than 50 Earth weights of force (sun dipped Superman).

Final step, prove that they have just 1 galaxy of power (although Superman overpowered the entire Imperiex force).

Originally posted by h1a8
Im talking about equals in strength idiot. How else is Superman going to beat Exitar. With HV?

Blue Marvel, Hercules, etc. are specks of dust as I shown. Unless you have feats by them that's beyond 50 Earth weights of force?

You are doing nothing more of stating what you want to be as an argument.

We use feats to debate. I gave you feats from Superman. You gave me a feat by Hyperion. Although Superman's feat are superior, I said assume they are equal.

Prove that those Heroes have the combined strength to exert 50 Earth weights of force.

If you do that then congrats, you just proven they are equal to normal Superman.

Next step, prove that they are astronomically stronger than 50 Earth weights of force (sun dipped Superman).

Final step, prove that they have just 1 galaxy of power (although Superman overpowered the entire Imperiex force).

Originally posted by Enzeru
Your arguments are kinda dumb and not really worth my time, so I choose to avoid you like any argument on Twitter involving race, sexual orientation or religion.

Let's not say they're equals.

They both have feats the other doesn't have. You can talk about Superman reading a lot of books in a library really fast and I can talk about Hyperion surviving the collision of two universes. Did Superman ever survive being at the center of two colliding universes? How about sun dipped Superman? Not that I know of. So what is your argument at that point? That Superman can survive it, because Hyperion did it as well? And they're equals? Eh.

This is what I'm talking about.

Where is this dumb ass statement coming from? Not 100 heroes. Over 100. From all over the world. With one of them being the Hulk. Blue Marvel too maybe. Hercules too maybe. All of that is adding up way beyond just one second Hyperion.

I think we both know that Death Seed Sentry slap the living b1tch out of Superman, sun dipped or not.

😂 after typing walls of text you suddenly don’t have time and resort to insults? SMH only reason Hyperion survived the collision of 2 universe was because of his location. Otherwise the implication is that he’s more durable than any being in marvel including your boyfriend the sentry.

This guy exaggerating Hyperion who is all hype, and brings up Superman reading books. When did a sundipped Superman read books?
Sundipped Superman > WF >>>> imperiex prime >>>> exitar.

Originally posted by JBL
H1a8, let me ask you this. What is a normal Superman? What is a mental block off Superman? And what is a sundipped Superman strength level?

Diesldude, stop preaching lies. Please show where it's stated that sundipped Superman is greater than WF and whoever you falsely claim.

I don't pretend to know much, if anything about Exitar... but **** anyone that tries to use Aquaman killing a probe as a low showing. We're talking about a herald level character, wearing a specialised suit of armour and wielding the trident of neptune, an actual magical weapon. the explosion caused when Aquaman stabbed him did this:

No more lowballing.