Galan is more au fair with the feats though.
Galan is more au fair with the feats though.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWThere are maybe a few examples that might be considered BFR, but not many at all -- Vader typically prefers to kill his opponents. But tbf, the majority of characters who are given a BFR win haven't actually done it to an opponent they are actively fighting on-panel... Or they've only done it like one time in 40 years. Same with "speedblitzing" at the onset, for that matter -- almost never happens in a comic.
Serious question --- has Vader ever BFR'd anybody, the way we'd like him to do (orbit and so on)?
I've just always assumed that BFR/blitzing falls somewhere under the "full capacity" rule, given that the character in question has the ability to do so.
So for example, Vader would go into this fight with common knowledge of Hulk -- he'd know that Hulk is FAR stronger and more durable than anything he's ever faced, and also know that the longer the battle goes on, the stronger Hulk will become. That said, him using the Force to BFR Hulk seems like a logical use of his power, imo(as it's about the only way he can win.)
But if you're arguing that Vader wouldn't do it here because it's not a tactic he regularly uses on characters in the SW-verse(who are all far below Hulk and able to be directly killed by Vader), then I can't really argue with you. /shrug
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWLook Stilt, Vader just BFR's him because it works. I don't like it, and it's super cheap and wish it wasn't true but it just happens. 😬
You see, even a guy like Rhino has a legit BFR feat that would work in KMC's featureless environment standard setting.Vader, afaik, doesn't.
You're just pulling a Rage here DS like you aren't absolutely pitching a tent in your pants everytime you say Vader wins. Oh man I hate that the writer thinks Thor can beat Celestials but these damn writers man! Argh! It makes me so upset What are you going to do, you just like have to count it though *huff*!
It's just fact that Vader BFR's! I wish we could turn off BFR for threads but alas we're just stuck in an all Vader winning scenario. These are Dark Times friends.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Look Stilt, Vader just BFR's him because it works. I don't like it, and it's super cheap and wish it wasn't true but it just happens. 😬You're just pulling a Rage here DS like you aren't absolutely pitching a tent in your pants everytime you say Vader wins. Oh man I hate that the writer thinks Thor can beat Celestials but these damn writers man! Argh! It makes me so upset What are you going to do, you just like have to count it though *huff*!
It's just fact that Vader BFR's! I wish we could turn off BFR for threads but alas we're just stuck in an all Vader winning scenario. These are Dark Times friends.
Originally posted by Galan007
But if you're arguing that Vader wouldn't do it here because it's not a tactic he regularly uses on characters in the SW-verse(who are all far below Hulk and able to be directly killed by Vader), then I can't really argue with you. /shrug
Glad you said this. Hulk stomps.
Even if Hulk gets lifted in the air, a thunderclap is going to break the hold. Sudden acceleration or power doesn't work well with Force users, and any sort of restraint is going to end in disaster. I assume DS' Vader never uses restraint on Hulk though and his view of the Force is like turning gravity off and Hulk just floats with no exertion but that's not how it works. Helium balloon Hulk.
And catching Hulk jumping at you and striking is probably beyond his power anyway but just stopping something like that alone would require immense concentration, let alone stopping that and immediately sending it into orbit before Hulk can clap or just spaz out and break the hold. If he doesn't immediately send him into orbit then that's going to repeat until he does, and Vader in no way will falter in this task, or get tagged while he's doing this.
Hell him grabbing Hulk in the first place would leave him wide open for a clap. Star Wars is built on the foundation that if you're attacking then your defenses are likely down. We see this with Kenobi getting ragdolled everytime he goes on the offensive. We even see this with Legends in an example DS would surely count if he was aware in that Vader fighting anywhere near DS levels in intelligence would get splattered everytime he grabbed Starkiller.
The more I think of it, the more I think Vader's Force use would be completely useless. His best bet honestly turns into a Saber fight where even if you assume it cuts Hulk, he has a healing factor.
Hulk annihilates him.
Originally posted by MrMind
why can't lightsaber fly straight into his heart or brain? durability feats?
Because lightsabers suck and are resisted by ferrocrete and durasteel occasionally. You remember the first scene in TPM where Jinn had trouble cutting through a thick door that Hulk could fingerflick through?
There's tons of lightsaber resistant things in Star Wars though. Even Purge Troopers started being able to handle them (along with being trained against TK with zero Force sensitivity). Random shields too.
https://guides.gamepressure.com/star-wars-jedi-fallen-order/gfx/word/4644640.jpg
Thin layers of Beskar could resist too, though not fully immune, and in Legends a Mandalorion Crushgaunt could actually grab sabers. Also in Legends an influx of Force energy attaining Oneness allowed you to physically grab sabers while burning your hand. Satele almost broke one pushing against it too.
Basically a lot of stuff Wolverine would shred, and you just showed Hulk being pretty fine from being shot in the eye from iirc an adamantium bullet. He was even drained and shot with every adamantium weapon from huge calibers in pretty sure that comic too and came out on top. H1 would tell you that he was shot by 313 million tons of force from every adamantium round.
Originally posted by LordGod
Vader wins by bfr. If that doesn't work Hulk wins.
Hulk might be a retard, but he loves to thunderclap. And that should be enough to get free of his hold.
Like Bran mentioned, jetpack propulsion alone was enough.
Then there's the problem with executing such BFR fast enough and without experiencing problems once the distance becomes significant.
Again, Hulk is not Hercules who got his ass handed to him by BC Wolverine.
Honestly? Force Choke is more likely to work than BFR.
Because depriving Hulk of oxygen was a common strategy in the past.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Even if Hulk gets lifted in the air, a thunderclap is going to break the hold. Sudden acceleration or power doesn't work well with Force users, and any sort of restraint is going to end in disaster. I assume DS' Vader never uses restraint on Hulk though and his view of the Force is like turning gravity off and Hulk just floats with no exertion but that's not how it works. Helium balloon Hulk.And catching Hulk jumping at you and striking is probably beyond his power anyway but just stopping something like that alone would require immense concentration, let alone stopping that and immediately sending it into orbit before Hulk can clap or just spaz out and break the hold. If he doesn't immediately send him into orbit then that's going to repeat until he does, and Vader in no way will falter in this task, or get tagged while he's doing this.
Hell him grabbing Hulk in the first place would leave him wide open for a clap. Star Wars is built on the foundation that if you're attacking then your defenses are likely down. We see this with Kenobi getting ragdolled everytime he goes on the offensive. We even see this with Legends in an example DS would surely count if he was aware in that Vader fighting anywhere near DS levels in intelligence would get splattered everytime he grabbed Starkiller.
The more I think of it, the more I think Vader's Force use would be completely useless. His best bet honestly turns into a Saber fight where even if you assume it cuts Hulk, he has a healing factor.
Hulk annihilates him.
Vader has precog and can turn Hulk around facing the other way. Also how potent is Hulk's thunder claps at 0.5km away?
