Originally posted by CosmicComet
"Hard durability" lolThere is no such thing.
They cant be harmed unless with sufficient enough power. The same Darkseid was taking attacks from the Source.
I doubt Cap's shield could ev ween take the force of an supernova.
Being harmed and being breached are two different things. Unworthy Thor shatters a Beyonder that instantly reforms, yet he isn't able to shatter the shield.
And in the Darkseid example, an in-book reason is given why Superman is able to breach him.
Imo, Superman dents it slightly. Captain America is shocked, but fine.
I really think there's no equivalent to Captain America's shield or Mjolnir in the DC Universe. Not purely power wise, but status/respect wise. At least none that come to mind. That really stood out to me during the JLA/Avengers crossover when Superman used the shield. The closest is Diana's bracers maybe, and even those don't have the same "recognition".
It's one of those things that has no parallels, the Universe operates differently imo. This is basically the Marvel Universe vs. the DC Universe.
It's hard to put into words.
Originally posted by h1a8
Those chains are astronomically stronger than Cap's shield.
This is stupid. Surfer for example is more durable than any of those chains, and Thor at his best was able to dent his form with a headbutt (Crazy impressive imo), but even he would have a hard time denting Captain America's shield.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This is stupid. Surfer for example is more durable than any of those chains, and Thor at his best was able to dent his form with a headbutt (Crazy impressive imo), but even he would have a hard time denting Captain America's shield.
At his best?
Wasn't he weakened from some bizarre wound at the time?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
At his best?Wasn't he weakened from some bizarre wound at the time?
Yes, he was wounded in the World Tree and was bleeding out reality.
But I meant, at his best in the sense that Fraction wrote an OP Thor. He was easily on par with Surfer and hurt Galactus despite being damaged in a way that would be fatal for most characters.
He had Thor (After battling the Serpent) take on Worthy Thing and Hulk. Mind you, this was peak Serpent (I.e. >>> All Hell Lords from Cytorrak to Mephisto).
I really really wish he wrote a regular Thor vs. Hulk fist fight. It would have been hilarious watching Thor beat the shit out of Hulk in a classic brawl.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Imo, Superman dents it slightly. Captain America is shocked, but fine.I really think there's no equivalent to Captain America's shield or Mjolnir in the DC Universe. Not purely power wise, but status/respect wise. At least none that come to mind. That really stood out to me during the JLA/Avengers crossover when Superman used the shield. The closest is Diana's bracers maybe, and even those don't have the same "recognition".
It's one of those things that has no parallels, the Universe operates differently imo. This is basically the Marvel Universe vs. the DC Universe.
It's hard to put into words.
This is stupid. Surfer for example is more durable than any of those chains, and Thor at his best was able to dent his form with a headbutt (Crazy impressive imo), but even he would have a hard time denting Captain America's shield.
We go by feats to determine durability right? Not what we want to be true?
By feats, Cap's shield doesn't have feats beyond the chains.
Your abc logic is faulty since Surfer has been hurt by significantly weaker forces. So his durability could have been anywhere between his lowest shown and highest shown when Thor headbutt him. Thats why in order to use ABC logic on a forum we assume characters are operating at average portrayals. Otherwise, we can say silly shit like Colossus tanked planet destroying force when he fought Gladiator (Gladiator bashed a planet to pieces before that).
And I'm curious. What feat does Surfer have that is above millions of star WEIGHTS of force?
Originally posted by h1a8
We go by feats to determine durability right? Not what we want to be true?By feats, Cap's shield doesn't have feats beyond the chains.
Your abc logic is faulty since Surfer has been hurt by significantly weaker forces. So his durability could have been anywhere between his lowest shown and highest shown when Thor headbutt him. Thats why in order to use ABC logic on a forum we assume characters are operating at average portrayals. Otherwise, we can say silly shit like Colossus tanked planet destroying force when he fought Gladiator (Gladiator bashed a planet to pieces before that).
And I'm curious. What feat does Surfer have that is above millions of star WEIGHTS of force?
Survives entropy unharmed.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
An angry Hulk has hit the shield without damaging it and with the Hulk"s power, Cho has hit with Big Bang force.
Hulk's strength range in comics from hundreds of tons to astronomically more. All Hulks (except professor) are angry lol.
And I don't follow your logic. Are you saying that Hulk has hit something with a force called Big Bang force (whatever that is)?
Originally posted by h1a8
We go by feats to determine durability right? Not what we want to be true?By feats, Cap's shield doesn't have feats beyond the chains.
Your abc logic is faulty since Surfer has been hurt by significantly weaker forces. So his durability could have been anywhere between his lowest shown and highest shown when Thor headbutt him. Thats why in order to use ABC logic on a forum we assume characters are operating at average portrayals. Otherwise, we can say silly shit like Colossus tanked planet destroying force when he fought Gladiator (Gladiator bashed a planet to pieces before that).
And I'm curious. What feat does Surfer have that is above millions of star WEIGHTS of force?
Fraction wrote an OP Surfer, Thor was just tougher.
Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk's strength range in comics from hundreds of tons to astronomically more. All Hulks (except professor) are angry lol.And I don't follow your logic. Are you saying that Hulk has hit something with a force called Big Bang force (whatever that is)?
Specifically measured as such.
Thanos with the IG, the Beyonder, and the Serpent are the only ones to have broken the shield to my recollection. The Serpent's attack was magical, while the other two were Godlike in power well before the negative power creep was put into effect. Superman isn't sun dipped in this instance. After the Serpent broke the shield, it was reinforced by Odin, which likely gave it a degree of magical resistance. Seems to me that that entire story was written in order to buff the shield.