Deckard Shaw vs Ozymandias

Originally posted by Impediment
Veidt caught a bullet which makes him fast AF, but that isn’t evidence of bullet time Matrix speed.

But which holds more weight in regards to his combat speed. that one-time bullet catch or his multiple fights?

Hate to interfere in my own thread, but what about Ozy's reflexes during his fake assassination attempt? He was aim dodging like hell

Originally posted by Lestov16
Hate to interfere in my own thread, but what about Ozy's reflexes during his fake assassination attempt? He was aim dodging like hell

that was all staged

The assassination was staged.

Veidt actually caught the bullet that was fired by Laurie.

Nobody is denying that, the question is. do we base his fighting speed on the bullet catch or on how fast he has been shown to move during his multiple fights?

Brixton was not only a bullet timer who blocked multiple shots with his hand, but his targeting computer also slowed down time and read his opponents moves. Shaw and Hobbs overcame that.

Rorschach and Nite Owl not being able to overcome Ozy would make them slower in comparison so Shaw should at least be able to hit him as he's slower than Brixton, has no targeting computer and is weaker than Brix as well. Shaw being able to hurt Dom, Hobbs and Lore means Ozy will definitely get hurt from his hits as all 3 are tougher and stronger than Ozy.

Originally posted by KingD19
Brixton was not only a bullet timer who blocked multiple shots with his hand, but his targeting computer also slowed down time and read his opponents moves. Shaw and Hobbs overcame that.

Rorschach and Nite Owl not being able to overcome Ozy would make them slower in comparison so Shaw should at least be able to hit him as he's slower than Brixton, has no targeting computer and is weaker than Brix as well. Shaw being able to hurt Dom, Hobbs and Lore means Ozy will definitely get hurt from his hits as all 3 are tougher and stronger than Ozy.

ABC logic does not work in fiction when characters level fluctuate from scene to scene. Plus we go on visual speed.
Shaw and Hoggs allowed Brixton to hit one oh then so that he will be open to be attacked. Without that strategy they were getting their asses handed to them.

Ozy will see them in super slow motion. Let's not try to argue that truth away now.

Originally posted by h1a8
ABC logic does not work in fiction when characters level fluctuate from scene to scene. Plus we go on visual speed.

Then show feats of Ozy fighting at speeds beyond Shaw.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Then show feats of Ozy fighting at speeds beyond Shaw.

You keep ignoring what is stated like a dunce.

Originally posted by h1a8
He only needs to move fast enough to avoid being hit (which at minimum is slower than they move).

Show feats of Ozy fighting fast enough that Shaw won't be able to hit hin.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Show feats of Ozy fighting fast enough that Shaw won't be able to hit hin.

Any of his fights show sufficient speed to block, dodge, parry Shaw's attacks.

Just pick a scene.

Pick one that supports your claim that Shaw will have zero chance of ever landing even a single attack and post it

Originally posted by Silent Master
Pick one that supports your claim that Shaw will have zero chance of ever landing even a single attack and post it

The scene where Ozy catches a bullet combined with the scene where he fought both Nite owl and Rorschach.

Originally posted by h1a8
The scene where Ozy catches a bullet combined with the scene where he fought both Nite owl and Rorschach.

Does anyone agree with h1 that Ozy's fight with Nite owl and Rorschach prove that Shaw has zero chance of landing even a single hit?

There is no evidence of Ozy having super slow vision.

It’s a reflex feat and timing. He’s the worlds smartest man in Watchmen.

Let’s stop adding feat speculations.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Does anyone agree with h1 that Ozy's fight with Nite owl and Rorschach prove that Shaw has zero chance of landing even a single hit?

That's not my stance. My stance is both scenes proves it.

Originally posted by Impediment
There is no evidence of Ozy having super slow vision.

It’s a reflex feat and timing. He’s the worlds smartest man in Watchmen.

Let’s stop adding feat speculations.

It's a physics and biological fact that perceiving faster motion than another results in slower time perception than the other.

Why do you think EVERY fictional medium displays time perception slower for the character who is fast?

A bullet is many times slower than a punch. Perceiving a bullet would allow you to perceive the punch many times easier.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's not my stance. My stance is both scenes proves it.

Yes it is, you've claimed that Shaw won't ever land a hit.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ozy doesn't get touched here. He casually beats Shaw. This is spite.

Originally posted by h1a8
No he does not. This is a spite fight. Shaw wouldn't land a single blow. And Ozy can sit there and allow Shaw to get 5 haymakers on him and it would barely damage him.

And when I asked for proof

Originally posted by Silent Master
Pick one that supports your claim that Shaw will have zero chance of ever landing even a single attack and post it

You posted this

Originally posted by h1a8
The scene where Ozy catches a bullet combined with the scene where he fought both Nite owl and Rorschach.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes it is, you've claimed that Shaw won't ever land a hit.

And when I asked for proof

You posted this

Reading is fundamental. Do you see the word, "combined"?

I asked for feats of Ozy fighting at speeds beyond Shaw

Originally posted by Silent Master
Then show feats of Ozy fighting at speeds beyond Shaw.

You only posted 1 fighting feat. thus you're claiming that feat proves your claim.