If Superman (Pre 52) strength is 100 where are these guys

Eh..

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mongul (Sr) 100
Mongul (Jr) 95
Darkseid 175
Doomsday (DOS) 150
Doomsday (H/P) 300
Captain Marvel 90
Martian Manhunter 80
Wonder Woman 85
Aquaman 40

Based on the dream sequence of Billy just after Warnof the Gods he was pretty sure Dianna was just above him. He should know where she is at compared to himslef and he dreamed she bested him with a concerted effort (which I assume meant the very slightest of edges)

Cant say I really disagree with much else, though I am surprised you put Mongul so high. He has more lower showings that bring down his average IMHO.

Originally posted by beatboks
Based on the dream sequence of Billy just after Warnof the Gods he was pretty sure Dianna was just above him. He should know where she is at compared to himslef and he dreamed she bested him with a concerted effort (which I assume meant the very slightest of edges)

Cant say I really disagree with much else, though I am surprised you put Mongul so high. He has more lower showings that bring down his average IMHO.

Mongul has had his average boosted by fighting Superman and Kyle together and it was later stated that both were needed to beat him.

Same Mongul got beaten by a drained Superman and was absolutely humiliated by Cyborg Superman.

Nevertheless, I'm not sure on where to rank the Mongul(s) in general relative to the rest.

If I had to do it right now, assuming it's:

Originally posted by Galan007
Also, are we assuming that Superman = 100 when's he's bloodlusted and going all-out(like he did during DoS and OWAW)..?

Or is this just your standard/baseline Superman? If so, then a few of these characters would be above 100.

Mongul Sr. - 80
Mongul Jr. - 85
Darksied - 130
Doomsday [DoS] - 95
Doomsday [H/P] - 150
Captain Marvel - 80
Martian Manhunter - 70
Wonder Woman - 75
Aquaman - 40

I changed my mind regarding Captain Marvel & Black Adam in comparison to Wonder Woman from my previous stance.

As always, these are not actual multiplier, but just relative gaps.

Yeah he jobbed pretty hard initially.

I'll probably update the Superman respect thread and add feats from "For the Man who has Everything" since it was recently referenced -- speaking of Mongul getting respect.

I want to place Marvel above ww, but she’s been stated to be stronger than Hercules a couple of times now and thats where cap gets his strength from. But he’s usually shown to be equal to supes more or less

That has always been confusing and frustrating, haven't it?

It really is.

But overall he may have higher end feats.

That's the thing -- Captain Marvel is not limited to Hercules' strength.

That would explain much then.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I'll probably update the Superman respect thread and add feats from "For the Man who has Everything" since it was recently referenced -- speaking of Mongul getting respect.

Including the one where he takes WWs shitty gift and swaps it before she notices? Lol.

ha-som

That's the thing -- Captain Marvel is not limited to Hercules' strength.

I mean its not like Zeus, Atlas and other sources of his power dont also have super strength.

Interesting how close the numbers are in mine and Phildo's list

Mine

Mongul 75
Darksied 150
Doomsday 120
Captain Marvel 85
Martian Manhunter 80
Wonder Woman 86
Aquaman 30-40

Phil's

Mongul Sr. - 80
Mongul Jr. - 85
Darksied - 130
Doomsday [DoS] - 95
Doomsday [H/P] - 150
Captain Marvel - 80
Martian Manhunter - 70
Wonder Woman - 75
Aquaman - 40

I differ re the main discrepancies ( Mongal, DS, WW - Doomsday is really a split the difference) given I'm a LOT less up to date on Superman to have the full scale to compare to (considering I stopped collecting all Supes mags as a regular monthly pull during the reign of the supermen fiasco, post DOS)

Mongul: 90
Darksied: 150
Dos doomsday: 110
Hp doomsday:250
Cap marvel 95
Wonder Woman 90
Aquman 40.

Originally posted by beatboks
Mongul 75
Darksied 150
Doomsday 120
Captain Marvel 85
Martian Manhunter 80
Wonder Woman 86
Aquaman 30-40

I'd change Darkseid to 95 (Superman more than matched him when he beat his eyes closed). Doomsday to 150, and Aquaman to 60 (His fight with Diana made him appear to be more than half her strength).

So much for "Aquaman is in Diana's league" ermm

Originally posted by -Pr-
So much for "Aquaman is in Diana's league" ermm

Where would you place him in relation to her?

Originally posted by -Pr-
So much for "Aquaman is in Diana's league" ermm

Current one I'd put at 65-70.

Originally posted by Stoic
Where would you place him in relation to her?

If we're talking strength, definitely in her ball-park.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Pre-Flashpoint 😛

Current one I'd put at 65-70.

He was strong then too!