Originally posted by Lord StarkTorture the hell out of him for 'challenging' his power?
What exactly would Palpatine do if Dooku defended himself? Dooku was still an essential pawn in his game at that point.
*I'm not saying that Palpatine couldn't have still owned Dooku even if he was actively defending himself, btw. Just saying that I don't think Dooku was doing so in that moment.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
What exactly would Palpatine do if Dooku defended himself? Dooku was still an essential pawn in his game at that point.
To be fair in regards to this discussion Dooku didn't know he was essential. Palpatine always made sure his pawns knew or at least felt they could easily be replaced.
Originally posted by Galan007
Torture the hell out of him for 'challenging' his power?*I'm not saying that Palpatine couldn't have still owned Dooku even if he was actively defending himself, btw. Just saying that I don't think Dooku was doing so in that moment.
Which still implies he could do so from across the galaxy no? Unless you think Sidious would go on a vacation to Serenno just to whoop Dooku's ass.
Originally posted by Chosen_Sith
To be fair in regards to this discussion Dooku didn't know he was essential. Palpatine always made sure his pawns knew or at least felt they could easily be replaced.
True, but Dooku for the most part thought the plan was still for him to be a huge part of the new order.
Originally posted by Lord StarkI mean, Palpatine went on a vacation to Mandalore just to personally handle Maul/Savage when he believed they were rivals(and Dooku > either of them.) So I don't think it would be completely ooc for him to travel to Serenno if Dooku had been purposefully trying to undermine his power during that 'lesson'. /shrug
Which still implies he could do so from across the galaxy no? Unless you think Sidious would go on a vacation to Serenno just to whoop Dooku's ass.
As mentioned, we obviously know that RotS Palpatine >> RotS Dooku. I just don't think Dooku was actively trying to fight against/resist his Master in that particular instance.
Just my opinion.
Originally posted by Galan007
I mean, Palpatine went on a vacation to Mandalore just to personally handle Maul/Savage when he believed they were rivals(and Dooku > either of them.) So I don't think it would be completely ooc for him to travel to Serenno if Dooku had been purposefully trying to undermine his power during that 'lesson'. /shrugAs mentioned, we obviously know that RotS Palpatine >> RotS Dooku. I just don't think Dooku was actively trying to fight against/resist his Master in that particular instance.
Just my opinion.
I think it can be argued. I honestly just think Palpatine could likey do that to Dooku in person, but it'd open him up to severe punishment if he's dueling someone else. I also think TCW vision reflects pretty well what would happen if ROTS Sidious fought with ROTS Anakin. It has Anakin defeating Dooku in ~30 seconds (which I think is realistic if Rex just got killed in front of his eyes), then getting totally trounced by Sidious.
Vader was trying to defend against Palpatine's lightning initially(Palpatine even commented on it):
https://i.ibb.co/Dt83hy3/Star-Wars-Darth-Vader-2020-006-002.jpg
It's just that Palpatine's lightning has evidently evolved to the point where it can no longer be blocked with a lightsaber.
But after Vader's saber was stripped from him, there was really nothing he could do but get raped.
Originally posted by Galan007
Vader was trying to defend against Palpatine's lightning initially(Palpatine even commented on it):
https://i.ibb.co/Dt83hy3/Star-Wars-Darth-Vader-2020-006-002.jpg
It's just that Palpatine's lightning has evidently evolved to the point where it can no longer be blocked with a lightsaber.But after Vader's saber was stripped from him, there was really nothing he could do but get raped.
But it does seem Palpatine is attacking the hilt not the blade. The top portion of the saber isn't deflecting lightning.
The art leaves it somewhat ambiguous, but imo, Palpatine's lightning was initially striking Vader's saber, then just started bypassing it entirely...
First panel- the lightning hits Vader's saber and starts crawling into his hands:
*Palpatine even comments on Vader actively defending himself.
Second Panel- the lightning starts crawling up Vader's arms:
Third panel- the lightning is up to Vader's shoulders:
Fourth panel- Palpatine stops the barrage and Vader's entire body is smoking:
Originally posted by Galan007
Vader was trying to defend against Palpatine's lightning initially(Palpatine even commented on it):
https://i.ibb.co/Dt83hy3/Star-Wars-Darth-Vader-2020-006-002.jpg
It's just that Palpatine's lightning has evidently evolved to the point where it can no longer be blocked with a lightsaber.But after Vader's saber was stripped from him, there was really nothing he could do but get raped.
He did defend instinctly of course, but still Vader just didn't try or had intention of fighting back. He just didn't. Palpatine should win in any case, but what happened in this issue just wasn't that relevant. Vader just wasn't trying.
And it seems Vader suits just makes him vulnerable to lighting, that is still the case with his suit.
When Vader comes with full intention and determination to put Palpatine down, that will be serious. Problem with Vader was that he never found a real reason to rebel, it was like he never cared... when Luke came he was also constantly fighting within himself.
And the whole point of issue is that Vader is somehow losing it and Palpatine wants to bring him back to embrace dark side fully and to return him to his form or even stronger. Vader head was confused to the core and Palpatine knew it.
It was always somehow in the air that Palpatine was stronger than Vader, but Vader had far greater depth in power and connection to the force, which was never fully embraced. That was always in the air.
So i think we won't see Vader threating Palpatine power wise.
Originally posted by InedianI honestly don't think lightning is akin to Vader Kryptonite at all.
And it seems Vader suits just makes him vulnerable to lighting, that is still the case with his suit.
Vader still managed to walk all the way up the stairwell towards Palpatine, despite getting raped by lightning the entire time -- and even after that, he continued fighting.
Originally posted by InedianOf course not. Palpatine has always kept the power advantage over Vader.
So i think we won't see Vader threating Palpatine power wise.
Originally posted by Galan007
The art leaves it somewhat ambiguous, but imo, Palpatine's lightning was initially striking Vader's saber, then just started bypassing it entirely...First panel- the lightning hits Vader's saber and starts crawling into his hands:
*Palpatine even comments on Vader actively defending himself.
Second Panel- the lightning starts crawling up Vader's arms:
Third panel- the lightning is up to Vader's shoulders:
Fourth panel- Palpatine stops the barrage and Vader's entire body is smoking:
And then Rey casually blocked the lightning of an even stronger version of Sidious with her lightsaber lmao.
**** the sequels.
Originally posted by Psychotron
And then Rey casually blocked the lightning of an even stronger version of Sidious with her lightsaber lmao.**** the sequels.
Of the many, many, many legitimate criticisms to make about the sequels, this isn't one of them honestly.
The movie, the movie's two novelizations, multiple entries in the StarWars.com databank, and finally the recently-released canon reference guide called the Star Wars Book all repeatedly reaffirm that Rey was (1) amped by the power of all past Jedi and (2) killed by the effort needed to deflect the Emperor's power, despite that amp.
