Originally posted by Surtur
If Karate Kids higher showings get tossed out, yep.
Big difference between them though.
The very first thing Val does in his very first appearance is impress Superboy with his speed and fighting skills. His entire thing is Space Karate = super powers, and he has supporting evidence to prove it, such as kicking the ground so hard it create a counter vibration to stop an earthquake, or one shot destroying objects even Superboy struggles with.
Batman has no such narrative. He beats Wonder Woman with his bare hands, because the writer says so.
While Val struggles with common ninja, because the writer can't embaress Batman, or something.
In that sense Val is like the anti-Batman. He gets lowballed for no real reason, while Bats punches way above his weight class.
Their stalemate kind of makes sense, they meet in the middle.
Hmmm. Yeah it is PIS. If a Herald is capable of turning an entire city to ash, Batman should have no chance of remaining alive if said attack was done at a distance. It's the very same reason why the Spiderman vs Firelord fight was deemed to be PIS on this board.
So yes, under certain conditions, or circumstances it is absolutely PIS.
Originally posted by StoicI don’t understand what is so hard about “how did the hero accomplish that” not just being a deciding factor.
Hmmm. Yeah it is PIS. If a Herald is capable of turning an entire city to ash, Batman should have no chance of remaining alive if said attack was done at a distance. It's the very same reason why the Spiderman vs Firelord fight was deemed to be PIS on this board.So yes, under certain conditions, or circumstances it is absolutely PIS.
If the answer isn’t possible even with comic book logic, it is PIS.
No Black Panther can’t use a joint lock on a guy who could throw him to the moon
No Spider-Man shouldn’t be able to speed blitz characters who can travel FTL
No Batman shouldn’t be able to turn off friction around him so Superman who can hear a Gnat fart on the other side of the planet can’t hear Batman walk away.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Depends on the version of Grundy. He's all over the place. That and the whole "pressure point" thing is largely a load of bollocks, and was used for years as a cheap way to show that someone was skilled in martial arts.But again, we make exceptions for people like Batman. People that can survive attacks from heralds and karate chop manhunter robots.
in the case of a character that has musculature so dense that it deflects bullets, pressure points SHOULD be impossible. Should be. Which in my eyes makes all instances of pp usage vs high durability characters PIS
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
But It really depends on Grundy's muscle density. Is he solid enough to break a hand on? Break a cinderblock on? If so, then pressure points shouldn't work. Key work here is pressure. Nerve bundles lie beneath other tissue. If Grundy is dense enough to harmlessly deflect impact from hard objects like that, then pressure points can't work for Bruce cuz his fingers aren't strong enough to press down to that nerve bundle
Thing is Grundy varies. Hes an energy sponge that gets more powerful around energy users. There have been times when he was barely holding his own vs the likes of Nuklon (before the name change to Atom Smasher) and hes only like class 40-50 (he can punch above his strength class due to his ability to alter his molecular density and mass, BA referenced it a few times). Then others hes been able to go toe to toe with Superman. In one of those fights Clark even mentioned that he was stronger in a latter fight than earlier that day.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's why Batman KOd Grundy when all those energy users were around.And how Wildcat took Grundy out when Alan was around.
Alan wasnt using energy on or near grundy just floàing off to the side. Dont know which Batman feat your talking about.
In Grundy's very first appearance in all American he was shown stronger and more a threat after Alan fired a beam at him. In another early appearance he touched one of Alan's constructs and it disolved and he absorbed it.