Originally posted by Surtur
Democrats would have to do a flip flop from "dat populah vote" to "ranked choice".
We discussed this before. The losing side always complains about the voting system and the winning side always wants to keep it. Then any thoughts of changing it get forgotten about in the time until after the next election.
It would be a rare thing for a winning candidate to seek to change the system that just allowed their victory.
There's also nigh on zero attempts or funding given to try and explain and educate voters on alternative voting systems.
Considering five times in the history of the USA the candidate who got the most votes didn't win the Presidency, I think popular vote should be an important factor. I don't have a definite answer, but I think the two party system is too limiting for you. Up here in Canada, you can vote Center Right (Conservative), Center Left (Liberal), Far Left (New Democratic Party), and the Green Party. We even tolerate a federal French Canadian Separatist Party based in Quebec (Parti Quebecois)[I swear we are too tolerant of those traitors. 😒 ]
Originally posted by Zenwolf
So question as I'm politically ignorant. But why are there...2 voting...systems? A popular and then an electoral? And one of them doesn't even matter? Soo...why is there two?
There is really only one that is used to determine elections: the electoral vote.
The popular vote exists because... well, it just does lol.... it's not actually relevant nor should it ever be in a country that is a Constitutional Republic as the United States is.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnaeAnd yet almost every other elected official here is chosen by popular vote, hmmmm 🙄
There is really only one that is used to determine elections: the electoral vote.The popular vote exists because... well, it just does lol.... it's not actually relevant nor should it ever be in a country that is a Constitutional Republic as the United States is.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnaeYou do know I'm talking about here in America right.
Newjak: So thankful that our founders were so much wiser and smarter than people like you.
Senators: Elected by popular vote in their district.
Same with the house of representatives.
Governors, Mayors, state representatives all popular vote.
Originally posted by Newjak
You do know I'm talking about here in America right.Senators: Elected by popular vote in their district.
Same with the house of representatives.
Governors, Mayors, state representatives all popular vote.
Do you not see why that is? California ppl elect california ppl, ny ppl elect ny ppl, the nation elects a president and NY doesn't reflect north dakota or missouri etc.
Really it's very simple but don't get creative with it just stick to simple things.
It was never about the big state/small state thing. The Presidential Election is the ONLY national election, all others are state or local. In the late 1700s it could literally take months to get full results from the Presidential Election, the founding fathers wanted a faster way, so they came up with the Electoral college. The invention of the telegraph in the 1830s made it obsolete, but as it is hard to amend the constitution it was never changed.
The best argument for abolishing it is everybody's vote isn't equal under it and everybody's vote should be. We are Americans first and residents of our respective states second. The fact that the EC currently works for Republicans and against Democrats isn't the point. That could change in the future.
Everyone's vote should be equal, time to abolish the EC.
Originally posted by snowdragon
Do you not see why that is? California ppl elect california ppl, ny ppl elect ny ppl, the nation elects a president and NY doesn't reflect north dakota or missouri etc.Really it's very simple but don't get creative with it just stick to simple things.
Um, if the president is elected by popular vote, the nation—collectively—is electing the president. Under the electoral college, states in which fewer people live, get to decide who is the president for states in which more people live. It is not hard to understand, even for the clinically simple.
Nah.
F*** the popular vote system. The electoral system is infinitely superior in every way. Nothing anyone in this thread has said has changed that fact nor is anything anyone says later on gonna change that.
I'll take the founders' great wisdom over any of you "electoral college sucks!" morons' so-called "wisdom" any day. The EC isn't going anywhere even if the dems get the House, the Senate, and the presidency.
Cry about it.
Um, if the president is elected by popular vote, the nation—collectively—is electing the president.
OK
Under the electoral college, states in which fewer people live, get to decide who is the president for states in which more people live.
The house of repsentatives gives you plenty of representation, based on population. You are welcome.