Originally posted by Silent MasterWhat the Republicans did and are still doing is relevant to history around this discussion.
This thread is about the part democrats played in the policies, if you want to talk about what part the republicans played. start the thread.
As to the discussion I've already pointed the modern platform of the Democrats and how they've been making criminal justice reform a part of their platform for awhile now.
Originally posted by Newjak
What the Republicans did and are still doing is relevant to history around this discussion.As to the discussion I've already pointed the modern platform of the Democrats and how they've been making criminal justice reform a part of their platform for awhile now.
Glad you're confirming whataboutism is okay.
Originally posted by Newjak
What the Republicans did and are still doing is relevant to history around this discussion.As to the discussion I've already pointed the modern platform of the Democrats and how they've been making criminal justice reform a part of their platform for awhile now.
Don't worry about them, they do this. You make good points.
Originally posted by Newjak
What the Republicans did and are still doing is relevant to history around this discussion.As to the discussion I've already pointed the modern platform of the Democrats and how they've been making criminal justice reform a part of their platform for awhile now.
All good points, but they will fall on deaf ears as this thread is an example of what happens when Trumpers lose and can't really accept the election results.. This won't be the only thread like this. My advice, pick your battles.
Originally posted by Newjak
Wow talk about going off the deep end.
I know, right? I've never seen someone deny not being a Democratic Party acolyte so vehemtly while falling instep with rage levels of denial, like you.
Originally posted by Newjak
You can't accept the inherent bias
Ohhhh, there's bias? Why do you think that there's bias about Democrat's being so racist, again?
Originally posted by Newjak
...you presented by saying they were racist democratic policies and ignoring the historical context that these policy were also and still are endorsed by conservatives :/
Already addressed this point of yours.
Noticed your dodged my question and you refuse to reframe and properly participate in the conversation.
Congrats: you're now a racist. Instead of actually honestly engaging in a conversation about what Democrats can do to end their decades of racist policies, you dance, deny, and play games to avoid fixing the problems. Typical Democrat tactic. 🙂
Originally posted by Newjak
Yes but in order to talk about the policies being referred to here you have to look at the bigger context surrounding them.
No you don't.
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Democrats did or did not support and implement many racist policies? Did. By the loads. This thread is about what Democrats can do to fix some of their mistakes. Talk about it. Or dance.
Originally posted by Silent Master
This thread is about the part democrats played in the policies, if you want to talk about what part the republicans played. start the thread.
Hilariously, already told him to: he can revive one of the 1,001 anti-conservative threads if he'd like. It's too painful to have to ignore this thread. He has to "win" because his precious Democrats are now having to face the firing squad.
What's even funnier, no matter if he "wins the internet arguments", the facts of the racist Democratic policies, which have resulted in the deaths of millions of people of color in the US since the 1950s, still stand as a testament against anything he thinks he can do to avoid the topic.
It's hard to judge of course, but it seems that at least in words the Democrats are moving away from some of their most racist policies. I hope to see more of that, of course.
I think part of the problem is that racism is not the reason for the support of some of these policies, but rather a deeply held believe in the power of neo-liberal markets and the capitalist consensus of personal responsibility. This lead them in the past to champion policies that are incredibly detrimental to the poor and to working people of America (and the poor are at larger ratios minorities than in the overall population, so because of that it had these racist ripple effects). This may just be my personal POV, but that seems to me somewhat different from the Republicans historic racist policies, which seem to come from a place of racism and then are hidden in an economic costume. Not that it matters that much, the outcome is the most important thing.
But to be honest, I fear it won't be that much better under Biden and Harris, I think their rhetoric is only a reflection of a changed discourse in society, not a change in their philosophy.
Originally posted by Artol
It's hard to judge of course, but it seems that at least in words the Democrats are moving away from some of their most racist policies. I hope to see more of that, of course.
This is part of what prompted me to make this thread. Biden has made promises to move away from racists policies...that Biden implemented. Biden is fighting hard to end the racism that Biden implemented and supported.
Biden is using the Biden to defeat the Biden.
Originally posted by Artol
I think part of the problem is that racism is not the reason for the support of some of these policies, but rather a deeply held believe in the power of neo-liberal markets and the capitalist consensus of personal responsibility. This lead them in the past to champion policies that are incredibly detrimental to the poor and to working people of America (and the poor are at larger ratios minorities than in the overall population, so because of that it had these racist ripple effects). This may just be my personal POV, but that seems to me somewhat different from the Republicans historic racist policies, which seem to come from a place of racism and then are hidden in an economic costume. Not that it matters that much, the outcome is the most important thing.But to be honest, I fear it won't be that much better under Biden and Harris, I think their rhetoric is only a reflection of a changed discourse in society, not a change in their philosophy.
In some instances, such as Biden's, racism is the reason he supported those policies.
And your description of Republican policies being racist are literally the description of the Democratic Racist policies.
I don't think it will be much better. Probably the most digesting thing about this whole situation is Biden will be given credit for any progress he makes against policies he formerly supported.
Hey, at least Bernie Sanders was consistent since the 60s. Perhaps I wouldn't be such a b*tch about Democratic racism if they weren't so racist all the time while pretending not to be.
I've explained it before. But it is like this:
Republicans:
Me: "Hey, GOP, can you not stab me in the guts. It hurts."
GOP: "No. F*ck you. This is our policy. Fight hard enough to stop me, little b*tch."
Democrats:
Me: "Hey, Democrats, can you not stab me in the guts. It hurts."
Dems: "It's your back."
Me: "What? Yes. Stop stabbing my back, then."
Dem: "Didn't."
Me: "Yes you did, you you're holding the knife and I can see you stabbing me."
Dems: "Nope. Not me doing it."
Me: "Yes. It's you. I'm taking the knife."
Dems: "You're a racist and fascist!"
Originally posted by dadudemon
No you don't.👆
Democrats did or did not support and implement many racist policies? Did. By the loads. This thread is about what Democrats can do to fix some of their mistakes. Talk about it. Or dance.
Hilariously, already told him to: he can revive one of the 1,001 anti-conservative threads if he'd like. It's too painful to have to ignore this thread. He has to "win" because his precious Democrats are now having to face the firing squad.
What's even funnier, no matter if he "wins the internet arguments", the facts of the racist Democratic policies, which have resulted in the deaths of millions of people of color in the US since the 1950s, still stand as a testament against anything he thinks he can do to avoid the topic.
lol you're not wrong
Originally posted by dadudemonYes you do...
No you don't.👆
Democrats did or did not support and implement many racist policies? Did. By the loads. This thread is about what Democrats can do to fix some of their mistakes. Talk about it. Or dance.
Hilariously, already told him to: he can revive one of the 1,001 anti-conservative threads if he'd like. It's too painful to have to ignore this thread. He has to "win" because his precious Democrats are now having to face the firing squad.
What's even funnier, no matter if he "wins the internet arguments", the facts of the racist Democratic policies, which have resulted in the deaths of millions of people of color in the US since the 1950s, still stand as a testament against anything he thinks he can do to avoid the topic.
Seriously here's my problem. You're still equating a different version of the groups while completely ignoring contexts. The modern Democratic party isn't the same party of the 1950s. The modern Democratic party has a lot of good ideas on attacking systematic racism in this country but who continually gets in the way? The modern day Republican party does :/
You really do sound like the PragerU video that talks about the racists Democrats and completely ignores the decades and decades of change. Also I don't think we completely agree on what constitutes a racist policy. For instance do you agree that with Surtur that affirmative action is a racists policy that hurt African Americans. Do you believe entitlements or reparations are racists policies? I know you've talked about the Black Nuclear family multiple times and I don't agree that the Democrats, especially the Democratic party of the last 2-3 decades is trying to intentionally break it up as you seemed to make it sound.
Also Biden offers better avenues of change then the Republican party does. ;/