Speech is always limited, either by government structures or by social repercussions, and usually both. It is a societal negotiation to decide which speech is considered acceptable and which isn't. And that seems to be mostly what so called "free speech warriors" are trying to do, move the legally and socially acceptable speech to one that is more in line with their philosophical views of it.
I think one aspect that I would be happy if those in favor of "free speech" take on, is a view of not just negative rights to free speech, but positive ones. Right now there is a lot of absence of rules in the US regarding speech, but there's very little that enables speech for more people. In my ideal society more people would be able to meaningfully contribute their voices to, rather than a cumulation of what you could call "speech capital" at the very top. To me it is undeniable that Rupert Murdoch has much more free speech than I do (and than any of you do) in any meaningful sense.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Adam does, he thinks immoral laws should always be followed
Did I say that? Because according to the example, he was not a consciencous objector to the law, nor was he taking action to challenge its legitimacy. In fact, he did not seem to have a problem with the law, until he experienced consequences for breaking it. Indeed, he treated it like a law against jaywalking. He knew it existed, did not have a problem with it, and flouted it dozens of times without incident. And it is only the one time he was cited, that he cried muh-injustiz. It is very telling that he and you only care about freedom of expression, when it is to defend Nazism.
Originally posted by BlakemoreWhoa, xyz actually doing some shit where he stands up for moderate stuff the KMC Left goes hard auth-left nazbol on. Good on you, man. Seriously.
But he wasn't spreading nazism, he even states in the video that he's not racist and just wanted to piss off his gf by pretending their dog was a nazi because she kept saying how cute her dog was by raising it's paw - so he pretended it was a nazi salute. He even apologised and obviously wasn't spreading hate, but still got fined.It's like saying violent video games are promoting violence. They're not.
Originally posted by Scribble
Whoa, xyz actually doing some shit where he stands up for moderate stuff the KMC Left goes hard auth-left nazbol on. Good on you, man. Seriously.
I was shocked too.
It's also sad as f*ck someone was pathetic enough xyz needed to point out the context of the nazi dog thing.
Originally posted by Scribble
Whoa, xyz actually doing some shit where he stands up for moderate stuff the KMC Left goes hard auth-left nazbol on. Good on you, man. Seriously.
Originally posted by SurturThanks.
I was shocked too.It's also sad as f*ck someone was pathetic enough xyz needed to point out the context of the nazi dog thing.
Originally posted by Blakemore
I've said horrible things for the lulz, and there's a famous youtuber, you may have heard of him "Count Dankula" who did a nazi joke for the lulz (despite the fact he has a Che Guevara tattoo from when he was 16) he got fined by the EU for spreading neo-nazism. I don't think it should be a crime if it's just someone being joking. I mean ffs, you might as well remove 4chan from the face of the Earth if you don't want dumb people saying dumb offensive things.First they came for the racists and dumb****s, and I did not speak out...
There's a few minor errors in that account, he was not fined by the EU, he was fined by a Scottish Sheriff, based on a Scottish and English law, with the fine upheld by the Scottish High Court.
The text of the law he broke reads:
Improper use of public electronic communications network(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he—
(a) sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character;
The basis of the fine, and the ultimate upholding of said fine, is based on the menacing character of the video, which the sheriff and courts found to be threatening to the Jewish community, particularly the repeated usage of nazi imagery with the shouting of the phrases "gas the Jews" and "Sieg Heil", while not seeing it as mainly aimed at his girlfriend, which is what the defense argued.
Now, I personally do not agree with this fine, and it does seem like it was in part upheld because of the incompetent way the defense argued the case. But I also don't think the reaction to it was warranted. To me it didn't seem like a deep threat to freedom of expression, and I was unsettled by the outpouring of support from actual far right, white supremacist and neo-nazi fringe groups.
The man himself of course made out quite well from the whole situation, his increased income from supporters and subsequent fame vastly superseding the fine and costs. But that's really neither here nor there.
If you are interested you can read the full judgment here.
Originally posted by ArtolHe did not break that law. He was obviously joking and having a laugh. 😐
There's a few minor errors in that account, he was not fined by the EU, he was fined by a Scottish Sheriff, based on a Scottish and English law, with the fine upheld by the Scottish High Court.The text of the law he broke reads:
The basis of the fine, and the ultimate upholding of said fine, is based on the menacing character of the video, which the sheriff and courts found to be threatening to the Jewish community, particularly the repeated usage of nazi imagery with the shouting of the phrases "gas the Jews" and "Sieg Heil", while not seeing it as mainly aimed at his girlfriend, which is what the defense argued.
Now, I personally do not agree with this fine, and it does seem like it was in part upheld because of the incompetent way the defense argued the case. But I also don't think the reaction to it was warranted. To me it didn't seem like a deep threat to freedom of expression, and I was unsettled by the outpouring of support from actual far right, white supremacist and neo-nazi fringe groups.
The man himself of course made out quite well from the whole situation, his increased income from supporters and subsequent fame vastly superseding the fine and costs. But that's really neither here nor there.
If you are interested you can read the full judgment here.