Superman vs Knull

Originally posted by TheHulkster
So in her Binary form, Carol can break the chains. In that form, she needs help from multiple others to beat Thanos.

You trying to debunk the chain feat again?

Ok
rule1:
It doesn't matter what helped forged the chains. All that matters is the strength of them (hauling stars between galaxies). If you see a contradiction then we simply use the highest (not lowest).

rule2: Black holes gravitational force is asymptotic as you get nearer to the atom sized singularity. That means black holes can produce ANY amount of force, no matter how large, as long as the singularity is sufficiently close. So in theory, a black hole can produce forces beyond millions of stellar weights (enough to forge or break the chains) provided the singularity is sufficiently close.

And Knull was clearly upset Sentry killed the Celestial. He didn't seem to be phased when The Xmen and Avengers were killing the smaller symbiots. When storm was up there killing a shit load he wasn't even as mad as when sentry killed the celestial. So if he held it in such regard Its safe to assume its power level is high and it was a meaningful piece of Knulls plan.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yeah no, If Superman had help like Surfer did, then he may be able to achieve the same thing, but it was MORE than just Light Surfer used. There were a WHOLE LOT of words I think you missed. Surfer Absorbed a WHOLE lot of energy in that Book. Does Supes have that ability?

Surfer needing to absorb that much energy =/= Superman needs to.

Put it this way. Surfer absorbed a WHOLE lot of energy, and created that (small) sun which immediately blew Knull away. Check your scans, you will see how small the sun was in relation to the (human sized) Surfer.

Superman absorbed SOME sun energy, and raised the temperature of the entire Earth way past freezing (it was snowing at sea level in Hawaii, for example) with his HV.

Now, Carver is clapping his hands with joy like a mental patient, because he is seizing on that sunamp. So how amped was Superman? 2x? Then reduce the size of his HV by 2x. So he is covering....half of the Earth. This ignores the art which shows even the Moon is covered in the HV.

Surface area of Earth is 510 million km squared. So half is....255million km squared.

10x? Even reduced by 10x, his HV is covering an area od 51 million square km.

100x? 5.1 million square km. That's nearly the entirety of Europe, in a HV blast, from 200,000km away.

You would have to really, REALLY amp Superman from that unspecified sunamp, for that feat to be unusable for my point. And that ignores the scans I posted where he was creating solar plasma:
https://i.imgur.com/88532V3.jpg

And was blinding people from Earth to the Moon with Krypto.

AND that ignores him just using his solar flare ability.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Surfer needing to absorb that much energy =/= Superman needs to.

Put it this way. Surfer absorbed a WHOLE lot of energy, and created that (small) sun which immediately blew Knull away. Check your scans, you will see how small the sun was in relation to the (human sized) Surfer.

Superman absorbed SOME sun energy, and raised the temperature of the entire Earth way past freezing (it was snowing at sea level in Hawaii, for example) with his HV.

Now, Carver is clapping his hands with joy like a mental patient, because he is seizing on that sunamp. So how amped was Superman? 2x? Then reduce the size of his HV by 2x. So he is covering....half of the Earth. [b]This ignores the art which shows even the Moon is covered in the HV.

Surface area of Earth is 510 million km squared. So half is....255million km squared.

10x? Even reduced by 10x, his HV is covering an area od 51 million square km.

100x? 5.1 million square km. That's nearly the entirety of Europe, in a HV blast, from 200,000km away.

You would have to really, REALLY amp Superman from that unspecified sunamp, for that feat to be unusable for my point. And that ignores the scans I posted where he was creating solar plasma:
https://i.imgur.com/88532V3.jpg

And was blinding people from Earth to the Moon with Krypto.

AND that ignores him just using his solar flare ability. [/B]

And that's completely irrelevant

In issue 3 after Surfer talks with a YOUNG Galan he then realises what he has to do. Ego asks are you sure. He says yes. The Ego says, Open your eyes and Gaze into the Infinite. Surfer says, I can see it, across the stars...Life. All of it connected...I can feel it. They sense the growing Black like I do. They are all so afraid. Tell them Ego...tell them what I need. Tell them to SEED their Life to the Abyss. Choke it with their Light. Now Focus it, Channel ALL of it to Me. Into me. Surfer basically ABSORBED the LIFE AND LIGHT from across the cosmos.

When Superman's shown absorbing the Life and Light from an entire cosmos then we can talk about it being applicable to him.

Surfer then releases ALL that energy. Re-seeding the cosmos. And it takes eons before he is reformed in the Black.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
And that's completely irrelevant

In issue 3 after Surfer talks with a YOUNG Galan he then realises what he has to do. Ego asks are you sure. He says yes. The Ego says, Open your eyes and Gaze into the Infinite. Surfer says, I can see it, across the stars...Life. All of it connected...I can feel it. They sense the growing Black like I do. They are all so afraid. Tell them Ego...tell them what I need. Tell them to SEED their Life to the Abyss. Choke it with their Light. Now Focus it, Channel ALL of it to Me. Into me. Surfer basically ABSORBED the LIFE AND LIGHT from across the cosmos.

When Superman does that, than we can talk about it being applicable to him

So he created a life sun? The LIFE he ABSORBED was turned into the Galactic Seeds:

The small sun he created wasn't anything special, unless you have text saying it was a special sun?

Edit: and when Surfer birthed the infant sun, Knull wasn't exactly gigantic:

Let's say Superman was amped 1000x by the sun in my showing (lol). Thus, we should downgrade his HV showing by 1000x. So anormal Superman without any amps, could cover an area of 0.5 million square km.

I mean, guys, come on - that's the size of the entirety of SPAIN, the country, lol.

Assuming we ignore the art where the Moon and the area between the Moon and Earth is also covered by Superman, lmao.

Originally posted by h1a8
You trying to debunk the chain feat again?

Ok
rule1:
It doesn't matter what helped forged the chains. All that matters is the strength of them (hauling stars between galaxies). If you see a contradiction then we simply use the highest (not lowest).

rule2: Black holes gravitational force is asymptotic as you get nearer to the atom sized singularity. That means black holes can produce ANY amount of force, no matter how large, as long as the singularity is sufficiently close. So in theory, a black hole can produce forces beyond millions of stellar weights (enough to forge or break the chains) provided the singularity is sufficiently close.

A singularity is infinitely small, has infinite density and infinite gravity and according to thehulkster a inverted nipple. This is so far above him that he should just stop discussing black holes and nipples while he’s behind.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
She drew on the entirety of the white hole when she fought Thanos? Scans, please?

Edit: I am glad you also acknowledge that there are differences, in Marvel, between black and white holes. Did you always know this? If so, you arguing with Diesl is most mystifying.....

Well we know that the entirety of a white hole was not used to forge the chains since it is specifically stated that they were forged only under the pressure of one.

Marvel specifically defines a white hole as the exit point if a singularity/black hole, thus making them the same thing.

https://ibb.co/sWtGy8D

So your latest fabricated claim of what someone acknowledges is again wrong (Diesldud would call you a liar). You see, when you claim that I am trying to use your words against you, you are really projecting. It's why you spend months insisting that people answer your attempted gotcha questions.

Since numerous characters have entered and exited black holes intact and even unharmed, my original point stands.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Surfer needing to absorb that much energy =/= Superman needs to.

Put it this way. Surfer absorbed a WHOLE lot of energy, and created that (small) sun which immediately blew Knull away. Check your scans, you will see how small the sun was in relation to the (human sized) Surfer.

Superman absorbed SOME sun energy, and raised the temperature of the entire Earth way past freezing (it was snowing at sea level in Hawaii, for example) with his HV.

Now, Carver is clapping his hands with joy like a mental patient, because he is seizing on that sunamp. So how amped was Superman? 2x? Then reduce the size of his HV by 2x. So he is covering....half of the Earth. [b]This ignores the art which shows even the Moon is covered in the HV.

Surface area of Earth is 510 million km squared. So half is....255million km squared.

10x? Even reduced by 10x, his HV is covering an area od 51 million square km.

100x? 5.1 million square km. That's nearly the entirety of Europe, in a HV blast, from 200,000km away.

You would have to really, REALLY amp Superman from that unspecified sunamp, for that feat to be unusable for my point. And that ignores the scans I posted where he was creating solar plasma:
https://i.imgur.com/88532V3.jpg

And was blinding people from Earth to the Moon with Krypto.

AND that ignores him just using his solar flare ability. [/B]

I think knull is just an aspect of the void.

Superman's hv is hotter than the core of a star.
Superman's has the strength (from the chain feat) to rip Knull in half.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So he created a life sun? The LIFE he ABSORBED was turned into the Galactic Seeds:

The small sun he created wasn't anything special, unless you have text saying it was a special sun?

Edit: and when Surfer birthed the infant sun, Knull wasn't exactly gigantic:

Let's say Superman was amped 1000x by the sun in my showing (lol). Thus, we should downgrade his HV showing by 1000x. So anormal Superman without any amps, could cover an area of 0.5 million square km.

I mean, guys, come on - that's the size of the entirety of SPAIN, the country, lol.

Assuming we ignore the art where the Moon and the area between the Moon and Earth is also covered by Superman, lmao.

And you're ignoring Its early into knulls conquest of the universe. Galactus wasn’t even fully formed during this

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman's hv is hotter than the core of a star.
Superman's has the strength (from the chain feat) to rip Knull in half.

Its not even hotter than the sun.

the canonicity of Up in the sky is questionable since it was originally Walmart exclusive, an EVEN if you want to use it we shouldn't ignore how he was knocked out by a warhead and got amnesia from an artillery shell two issues before he broke those "star"chains.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Well we know that the entirety of a white hole was not used to forge the chains since it is specifically stated that they were forged only under the pressure of one.

Marvel specifically defines a white hole as the exit point if a singularity/black hole, thus making them the same thing.

https://ibb.co/sWtGy8D

So your latest fabricated claim of what someone acknowledges is again wrong (Diesldud would call you a liar). You see, when you claim that I am trying to use your words against you, you are really projecting. It's why you spend months insisting that people answer your attempted gotcha questions.

Since numerous characters have entered and exited black holes intact and even unharmed, my original point stands.

Erm, you might want to re read your handbook scan.

"When the imbalance reaches a critical point....producing depending on the original mass of star, a neutron star, black hole, OR (emphasis mine) point singularity".

White holes are the re-entrance of point singularities, NOT black holes. Good scan, though.

White holes are =/= the exit point of black holes, but the exit points of point singularities, which Marvel has defined as different to black holes and thus, black holes=/=white holes.

But your scan DID show that Binary at any one point can limit the amount of energy she can draw upon, based on the window she opens. So how large was this when she faced Thanos, please?

@Albert: then you have statements showing that this same tactic wouldn't work against current Knull? If not, then....meh.

As of now, early Dec 2020, it still works unless we are shown otherwise.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Well we know that the entirety of a white hole was not used to forge the chains since it is specifically stated that they were forged only under the pressure of one.

Marvel specifically defines a white hole as the exit point if a singularity/black hole, thus making them the same thing.

https://ibb.co/sWtGy8D

So your latest fabricated claim of what someone acknowledges is again wrong (Diesldud would call you a liar). You see, when you claim that I am trying to use your words against you, you are really projecting. It's why you spend months insisting that people answer your attempted gotcha questions.

Since numerous characters have entered and exited black holes intact and even unharmed, my original point stands.

LOL she is draws small amount of energy released from the white hole and can manipulate energy. That doesn’t mean she is using the pressure of the white hole.

She doesn’t use the white holes or the force of the white hole. Smh

See I always knew you had no clue what an inverted blackhole is. I tested my theory and your nipple example proved me right.

I asked you to research black holes and look up inverted. You said an inverted blackhole is still a black hole like a inverted nipple is still a nipple. SMH

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman's hv is hotter than the core of a star.
Superman's has the strength (from the chain feat) to rip Knull in half.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
@Albert: then you have statements showing that this same tactic wouldn't work against current Knull? If not, then....meh.

As of now, early Dec 2020, it still works unless we are shown otherwise.

AND I hardly count that especially when knull didn’t have the celestials yet which gives him amazing arguable massive jump in power. Theres zero proof it works currently

Originally posted by abhilegend
TBH that's a monstrous showing because Eclipso is equal to Hecate in power.

Another abstract Superman has defeated.

Batman enhanced his heat vision there. Anything else with context?

Originally posted by Diesldude
LOL she is draws small amount of energy released from the white hole and can manipulate energy. That doesn’t mean she is using the pressure of the white hole.

She doesn’t use the white holes or the force of the white hole. Smh

See I always knew you had no clue what an inverted blackhole is. I tested my theory and your nipple example proved me right.

I asked you to research black holes and look up inverted. You said an inverted blackhole is still a black hole like a inverted nipple is still a nipple. SMH

Hulkster's EXCELLENT scan shows she can radiate the gravity of one, subject to the size of her windows.

So since his point was:

Originally posted by TheHulkster
So in her Binary form, Carol can break the chains. In that form, she needs help from multiple others to beat Thanos.

Carol can radiate the gravity of a white hole? Show scans of her doing so, please. With a window large enough to radiate the gravity of a full white hole.

And then, as he's then relating it to Thanos, please show times she unleashed the white hole against him - I mean, I can have a tap attached to a full water reservoir, but we are limited by the size of my pipes 🙂

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman's hv is hotter than the core of a star.
Superman's has the strength (from the chain feat) to rip Knull in half.

None of this is true.

Originally posted by Diesldude
he ripped doomsday apart and will do the same to knull.

When Superman rips apart somebody that actually tanked the big bang than we can talk about why its impressive