Hulk vs. Kurse

Started by Booya_692 pages

Bro you know what fight I’m talking about.

https://lowbrowcomics.com/2016/04/10/incredible-hulk-vs-silver-surfer-planet-hulk/amp/

Fair enough, I forgot he was in a “weakened state”.

Yep

Originally posted by Stoic
The Green Scar bro. That's World Breaker Hulk. He had the ability to consciously raise his power level. According to on panel citation, and while still holding back overpowered beings 1000X their base power levels. Wendigo and Bi-Beast were amped and easily defeated by him. IMHO, this is greater than Kurse by a lot.
it was green scar that beat on Meik.

Originally posted by Diesldude
he doesn’t start off at 4x though or the thing would never have knocked him out.

Thing crippled himself by using his full strength for the first time in his career.

Less than that allowed him to topple Galactus.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Wasn't Kurse stated in a recent comic to be as strong as Hulk?

Recent books were about new Kurse.

Thor and his rogues may be a challenge for some inexperienced Robin, at best.

Originally posted by Stoic
Dynamic strength isn't his power? I'm not following.

Ok, let me explain.
Originally posted by Stoic
Why doesn't he in a forum setting that allows for him to begin every match sufficiently angry?

Originally posted by Magnon
Because that's not his power.

Originally posted by Booya_69
Bro you know what fight I’m talking about.

https://lowbrowcomics.com/2016/04/10/incredible-hulk-vs-silver-surfer-planet-hulk/amp/

Fair enough, I forgot he was in a “weakened state”.

At that time during Planet Hulk, I don't believe that he learned how to unlock his full potential through meditation.

Originally posted by Magnon
Ok, let me explain.

The Hulk has dynamic strength. Anger was the catalyst for this growth. The was a forum ruling that stated that he begins every match sufficiently angry. Since this more than likely still has us on a different page, and you don't seem to understand what I am saying, I'll leave you with whatever notion that you had on the subject.

Originally posted by Stoic
At that time during Planet Hulk, I don't believe that he learned how to unlock his full potential through meditation.

The Hulk has dynamic strength. Anger was the catalyst for this growth. There was a forum ruling that stated that he begins every match sufficiently angry. Since this more than likely still has us on a different page, and you don't seem to understand what I am saying, I'll leave you with whatever notion that you had on the subject.

Originally posted by Stoic
The was a forum ruling that stated that he begins every match sufficiently angry.
Link to forum ruling stating that he begins every match sufficiently angry? Sounds silly, since that's not his power.

Hulk: "Calm Hulk" is a misnomer. In the case of almost any Hulk, he starts off VS battles at (like most characters) his average level. So, say... Savage Hulk doesn't start off class 85, and people can't argue things like "Maybe if they knock him out before he can get too strong, they can win". As far as his limit goes, yes, while there's the whole "madder = stronger" aspect of the character, that doesn't mean you get to apply a no-limits fallacy to it. His feats are more than enough ammunition to use to win debates.

That is the ruling, interpret as you will.

Exactly. Starts off at average level. Which might or might not be sufficient for the battle at hand. There is no contextuality in the ruling about the anger level being "sufficient".

Thanks for quoting the ruling.

Look what it took to KO Kurse :

And this is after weakness exploit! Stop this nonsense, Beyonder Amped Kurse kills Hulk.

Originally posted by Stoic
Why doesn't he in a forum setting that allows for him to begin every match sufficiently angry? It's something that should be explored, because sufficiently angry can place his starting strength at Onslaught levels, or Secret War levels.

The Abomination was roughly twice as strong as Savage Hulk when they began their classic fights, but it never took Hulk long to bridge the gap, and surpass that strength level. The same rules apply to Kurse who is very strong. The problem here is that Kurse has a static strength level, while the Hulk's is dynamic. Kurse really shouldn't last for more than 5-10 minutes.

I don't believe the Thing instance to be anything other than PIS. I mean Mammoth KO'd Superman back in the day as well, but again that was PIS. The same Hulk had his face crushed by Grandmaster Prime and he laughed it off.

What do you mean by "sufficiently angry?" By that logic you could argue "sufficiently angry to be 17,932 times stronger than his opponent." But it's also not what the rules say, looking at the quote. Just that he's not calm.

As for Mammoth, unless there's something I don't know of, that would be a weakened Byrne Superman. So a pretty bad comparison to argue PIS.

Kurse ftw

Kurse

Originally posted by zopzop
Look what it took to KO Kurse :

And this is after weakness exploit! Stop this nonsense, Beyonder Amped Kurse kills Hulk.
That isn't even a planetary attack.
Green Scar has held techtonic plates and koed Red Hulk with a thunderclap. That's far beyond anything Kurse has ever done. Even if Kurse was slightly above Hulk in strength (he's not) then Hulk still has a HF keeping him always fresh while Kurse is getting damaged.

Cryptoman started of stronger than Thor and he was fed power that double his strength, TWICE and Hulk still stomped him. A much weaker Hulk. Hulk have already fought someone like Kurse and wrecked him. This is a none fight...

https://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/143530673355/hulk-vs-crypto-man-from-the-incredible-hulk/amp

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That is the ruling, interpret as you will.

That was actually a ruling that was in place years ago. Thanks for the update, I didn't know that it changed. This is for anyone asking.

Originally posted by zopzop
Look what it took to KO Kurse :

And this is after weakness exploit! Stop this nonsense, Beyonder Amped Kurse kills Hulk.

No Zop, this is the Green Scar. Kurse's amp will not be enough, unless you believe that he's stronger than Wendigo and Bi-Beast X1000? If you're going to respect one, you have to respect the other. Wendigo X1000 is far greater than Thor's power level when you consider that this particular Wendigo at base took on the Hulk and Sasquatch.

****ing Pak.

Those numbers coming up to haunt me again.