in your time on kmc....

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman, and then the DCU scaling to him. Guys like Doomsday and Darkseid weren't respected back then, mostly because they were seen as guys that Superman can beat, and the perception of Superman was low, and then everyone else was even lower by default.

When I joined many people laughed Darkseid as a herald.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
which character have you seen the majority of people change their opinions on due to evidence and arguments that have been presented?

for better or for worse.

Nothing changed with Superman, he still wouldn't match Hulk, Thor, or Sentry.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Nothing changed with Superman, he still wouldn't match Hulk, Thor, or Sentry.

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Dude wtf.

Jbl any pictures for proof?

@StilmanFTW
What the **** is that? Why the **** is that?

Originally posted by Galan007
Superman is the poster child for "best". His overall status has skyrocketed tremendously since I first registered here.
Thor is the antithesis of that

Spoiler:
Sry Rage.

Honorable mentions:
Mxy. When I first got here, a lot of people vehemently argued that he was Galactus-level, tops... But now most consider him to be one of the most powerful beings in all of fiction(and rightfully so.)

Firestorm. He used to be treated as a d-list nobody on KMC. But now? He spams salt attacks at the onset of every single match, ftw. Yw. 👆

Also, Hal a.k.a. Geoff "I will simply will myself to do anything" Johns -- and it has never stopped ever since, even without him.

Aquaman has also gone from a malnourished Namor to a solid ~Wonder Woman level physical powerhouse with a highly formidable trident and TP being redefines as quite overpowered.

And, of course, as it has been mentioned Darkseid -- once people realized that losing to Superman has nothing to do with anything, and he started dragging the Multiverse in death, killing skyfathers as a teenager, devouring Universes and fighting Anti-Monitor.

In Marvel, I'd say Sentry for sure, ever since he stopped alternating between Mighty Avenges "Cut my life into pieces" fabio and the undefined powerset [that even Bendis didn't seem to know] in Dark Avengers -- becoming a full fledged villain/anti-hero. Even with the various [Death, Merged and whatnot] incarnations. Gladiator is slowly getting more respect, but that could soon fade away if Starlin stops writing him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Originally posted by carver9
Thor, Juggernaut, Superman and Supergirl.

Thor for the worse
Supergirl for the best
Juggernaut for the worse
Superman for the best

100% agree

Dc made it clear, this is Superman’s show. Whereas Marvel doesn’t really care about Thor. He gets clowned-on on the boards as a result.

Juggernaut used to be viewed as a “brick of bricks”. He doesn’t even make the top 5 nowadays.

Black Adam used to be viewed above guys like supes and Thor. Now he’s considered mid herald.

Stilt wtf hahahaha.

The fact that only 1 person even batted an eye tells you everything you need to know about how much we love Stilt.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Dude wtf.

100% agree

Dc made it clear, this is Superman’s show. Whereas Marvel doesn’t really care about Thor. He gets clowned-on on the boards as a result.

Juggernaut used to be viewed as a “brick of bricks”. He doesn’t even make the top 5 nowadays.

Black Adam used to be viewed above guys like supes and Thor. Now he’s considered mid herald.

Well, Adam has traditionally always been stronger than Shazam/Captain.

We saw Jokerized Shazam bodybag like 5 gods in one afternoon stroll.

Right before and Jokerized Supergirl got roughed up by Superman essentially fighting them with one arm each, lol.

What the **** is up with quote and edit around here anymore.

BA and Shazam are back to his old reputation now with their post crisis feats

I still don't see where they lost their reputation as some people on this forum were saying, but eh.

Originally posted by Juntai

Right before and Jokerized Supergirl got roughed up by Superman essentially fighting them with one arm each, lol.

Exactly. He shouldn’t do that to Shazam so easily. It’s DC’s way of widening the gap I guess.

Yeah, they showed him easily beating pantheon gods, then in his next appearance showed Superman on another level than that. It doesn't knock Billy or Adam down. It just shows where Superman is.

👍 well put.

Originally posted by Juntai
What the **** is up with quote and edit around here anymore.

iOS apostrophes and other special characters aren't properly read by this site.

It's been like that for five years (last server move), wake up.