Re: Why would a supreme being need constant affirmation from its creations?
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!Because he created you out of love
I respect everyone's right to freedom to worship as they wish as long as their religion does not negatively affect others.I do ask though, why would a God require constant affirmation from his creations, be they a toy, pet, lab experiment or work of art?
Originally posted by victreebelvictr
I agree with that.Don't see how giving laws to His followers has anything to do with "needing" our support.
The jealousy part displays that He wants us to accept His gift of eternal life very badly. Jealousy by definition does not equal need.
I see what you were thinking though.
want verb To be deficient by the absence of some part or thing, or to feel or have a need.
A perfect being is not deficient, and does not experience absence, or have feelings, or needs.
Originally posted by Adam_PoEDude, you're applying logical thought to the religion forum. They don't like logic.
[b]want verb To be deficient by the absence of some part or thing, or to feel or have a need.A perfect being is not deficient, and does not experience absence, or have feelings, or needs. [/B]
Originally posted by ThirstyGuy#1321Oneness is actually pretty right here.
Belief n a loving God = ignorance of THE FACTS and the lacking of BASIC math skills.
If God loved his creations, then he wouldn't create suffering and impose such absurdly strict rules on people.
If he sees being gay as evil, then why create gayness at all? Let alone make it an inherent characteristic of people, if burning eternally is the punishment. If being gay is contradictory of nature, that's because God made it that way. And don't blame it on the Devil — if God is all powerful, then he could simply make evil not exist. He is all-powerful, after all, isn't he?
The Abrahamic God, Sabaoth, is clearly able to be seen as either evil and malicious, or an blundering moron.
Isaiah 47:5: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
God created evil, he created satans (plural, as the concept of a singular 'Devil' is not an accurate reading of the Bible) to constantly test his children, and beset untold afflictions upon mankind for no good reason.
The Abrahamic God is the most absurd cartoon villain of all time. Either that, or he's essentially Azathoth, a sleeping idiot god thrashing around and creating vastly inconsistent and contradictory life by accident.
"Then, crushing what he chanced to mould in play,
The idiot Chaos blew Earth’s dust away."
— H. P. Lovecraft
Originally posted by Adam_PoE"have a desire to possess or do (something); wish for." - Oxford Dictionary
[b]want verb To be deficient by the absence of some part or thing, or to feel or have a need.A perfect being is not deficient, and does not experience absence, or have feelings, or needs. [/B]
Originally posted by ScribbleHe did not create evil. We did.
Oneness is actually pretty right here.If God loved his creations, then he wouldn't create suffering and impose such absurdly strict rules on people.
If he sees being gay as evil, then why create gayness at all? Let alone make it an inherent characteristic of people, if burning eternally is the punishment. If being gay is contradictory of nature, that's because God made it that way. And don't blame it on the Devil — if God is all powerful, then he could simply make evil not exist. He is all-powerful, after all, isn't he?
The Abrahamic God, Sabaoth, is clearly able to be seen as either evil and malicious, or an blundering moron.
Isaiah 47:5: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
God created evil, he created satans (plural, as the concept of a singular 'Devil' is not an accurate reading of the Bible) to constantly test his children, and beset untold afflictions upon mankind for no good reason.
The Abrahamic God is the most absurd cartoon villain of all time. Either that, or he's essentially Azathoth, a sleeping idiot god thrashing around and creating vastly inconsistent and contradictory life by accident.
"Then, crushing what he chanced to mould in play,
The idiot Chaos blew Earth’s dust away."— H. P. Lovecraft
The verse does not literally mean that God created evil, for that is a mess up in the English translation I suppose.
Here is a link for it: https://www.gotquestions.org/Isaiah-45-7.html 🙂
Originally posted by victreebelvictrOf course Sabaoth created evil, because he is evil. He is singularly responsible for all suffering. If he isn't, for argument's sake, then why let it exist? Why create a world so drastically imperfect that these things come about? And if he created humans, and humans did create evil, then Sabaoth created the potential for evil.
"have a desire to possess or do (something); wish for." - Oxford DictionaryHe did not create evil. We did.
The verse does not literally mean that God created evil, for that is a mess up in the English translation I suppose.
Here is a link for it: https://www.gotquestions.org/Isaiah-45-7.html 🙂
Are you saying that humans were able to create something that your God didn't envision? Isn't that a bit of a contradiction?
Also, in that assessment of the line from Isaiah: The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word that means "adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery." ... yeah, sounds like God created evil to me. Why create adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, and misery unless you are purposefully allowing suffering into the world, or unless you made a catastrophic mistake?
Sabaoth is either supremely evil or completely incompetent.
Originally posted by ScribbleGood questions. These are things I might go over in my "The Good News" thread. 🙂
Of course Sabaoth created evil, because he is evil. He is singularly responsible for all suffering. If he isn't, for argument's sake, then why let it exist? Why create a world so drastically imperfect that these things come about? And if he created humans, and humans did create evil, then Sabaoth created the potential for evil.Are you saying that humans were able to create something that your God didn't envision? Isn't that a bit of a contradiction?
Also, in that assessment of the line from Isaiah: The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word that means "adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery." ... yeah, sounds like God created evil to me. Why create adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, and misery unless you are purposefully allowing suffering into the world, or unless you made a catastrophic mistake?
Sabaoth is either supremely evil or completely incompetent.
So, till then, maybe this link will answer your questions: https://www.str.org/w/why-did-god-create-people-if-he-knew-so-many-would-go-to-hell-
Originally posted by victreebelvictrYeah, this article basically just proves what I'm saying. God created humans with the knowledge that he would 'have' to make 2/3 of them suffer for infinity. He didn't have to make Hell that torturous — he could have just made it so that the 'unworthy' simply die and disappear — but instead he invented a cruel and unusual punishment for beings he knew would receive it.
Good questions. These are things I might go over in my "The Good News" thread. 🙂So, till then, maybe this link will answer your questions: https://www.str.org/w/why-did-god-create-people-if-he-knew-so-many-would-go-to-hell-
All so that he could be happy that a minority didn't. Sabaoth is a narcissistic psychopath. He has no love for anyone, other than himself. A self-satisfied, smug warlord unworthy of his titles. The only title he deserves is 'Evil One'.
Also I find it funny that in the article, the author admits that God can do nothing to stop humans from falling into Sin and 'betraying' him, which disproves the idea that God is All-Powerful. He is incapable of a lot of pretty simple things, it appears.
Originally posted by ScribbleI am actually about to write something in regards to the Holy Standards of God.
Yeah, this article basically just proves what I'm saying. God created humans with the knowledge that he would 'have' to make 2/3 of them suffer for infinity. He didn't have to make Hell that torturous — he could have just made it so that the 'unworthy' simply die and disappear — but instead he invented a cruel and unusual punishment for beings he knew would receive it.All so that he could be happy that a minority didn't. Sabaoth is a narcissistic psychopath. He has no love for anyone, other than himself. A self-satisfied, smug warlord unworthy of his titles. The only title he deserves is 'Evil One'.
Also I find it funny that in the article, the author admits that God can do nothing to stop humans from falling into Sin and 'betraying' him, which disproves the idea that God is All-Powerful. He is incapable of a lot of pretty simple things, it appears.
It really is hard to come to terms with them. If it is true that He is holy, His standards are definitely way higher and harder to grip then our own.
If you are interested, you may take a look.
God bless. 🙂
Originally posted by victreebelvictrIt's probably a lot harder to come to terms with the fact that your belief has made you a hateful person, contravening Jesus's teachings. So many Christians venerate Sabaoth and Paul, and ignore the red letters of Christ. You are not a Christian; you are an Abrahamite, or perhaps a Paulite. In fact, you barely ever mention Christ, but you talk about Sabaoth a lot, and have quoted Romans, which is the essential Paul text.
I am actually about to write something in regards to the Holy Standards of God.It really is hard to come to terms with them. If it is true that He is holy, His standards are definitely way higher and harder to grip then our own.
If you are interested, you may take a look.
God bless. 🙂
But sure, I'll read whatever you write, as long as it isn't book-length. I have better mystical texts to be studying in that case.
in the Bible, God does not need anything from anyone
"God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;"
Acts 17:24-25
He is God from eternity to eternity
"Before the mountains were brought forth, and thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from eternity to eternity thou art God."
Psalms 90:2
His Godhood will not diminish without affirmations, and will not be supplemented with it
Re: Why would a supreme being need constant affirmation from its creations?
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!I do ask though, why would a God require constant affirmation from his creations, be they a toy, pet, lab experiment or work of art?
From the Islamic perspective Allah does not need anything. He's not a jealous God.
Worshipping God is simply the path to truth and righteousness for us:
1) to humble ourselves,
2) treat others as equals (we pray in a straight line alongside others, no matter their race or status).
3) to be mindful of our actions in daily life.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
You believe in the Bible, right?Exodus 20:2-6
"I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. "You shall have no other gods before me. "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand [ generations] of those who love me and keep my commandments.
21Jesus replied, “Believe me, dear woman, the time is coming when it will no longer matter whether you worship the Father on this mountain or in Jerusalem. 22You Samaritans know very little about the one you worship, while we Jews know all about him, for salvation comes through the Jews. 23But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way.24For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.â€
John 4 21–24
Originally posted by victreebelvictr
None of what you just posted supports your position.
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Originally posted by victreebelvictr
Okay. Explain to me how it does support your philosophy.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
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😂 El.Oh.El. Deflections and denials. That's about all you can expect from the devout when you literally lay out evidence right in front of them. They instantly regress to the most childish retorts. Might as well say, "I know you are, but what am I?"