Originally posted by Sin I AM
80s for storyline, 60s for creativity. The 10s is by far the worst
I'd agree with this. The good storylines started in the laten70s (77/78) and went to shite at about 92.
Its the era that Wolfman brought true characterisation to comics characters with the new Teen Titans and Vigilante. The era that O'Neil was writing stories analysing society (Hal and Ollie's trek across America and the social implications), the eta that Roy Thomas was doing his continuity blend retconning that brought character inconsistencies together and explained them.
Basically the 80's is when comics grew up and got some depth. They moved past the simple stories that had been limited by the comics code and created character depth without making them a bad influence on the growing youth
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Whichever decade you first had to get into comics, so it varies. Nostalgia is powerful.For me, it's the 90s.
For beatboks, the 50s
Carver, last week.
Your right about the era I got into comics. While I loved them back then the stories were very simplistic. The 40s comics that I would buy from the local book exchange were all anthology titles where stories were told in like 8 pages or so. The Silver age reboot had very childish stories due to the comics code that was brought in after the movement that ended the GA. So to keep them from being a dark influence on children they were simple. Great for a kid but not the best stories. The 60s and 70s got more outlandish with Superman gaining a power every issue as needed to deal with this and that.
This title is a question that has come up many times over the last 15+ years at KMC. I think it's a little more complicated than just answering with a single decade.
For instance, what many think was 80's runs started in the '70s,
Miller started Daredevil with issue 158 in 79, Claremont's X men run was well underway in by 1980, and in fact, the Death of Dark Phoenix in case 137 whilst being published in September 1980 was the culmination of a 70's plot.
Neal Adams Batman has never been beaten. This was a 70's run, Iron Man Demon in a Bottle was 1979. So what was going on then? At Marvel, Jim Shooter had implemented substantial quality control, and the shitty comics from both Marvel and DC were reducing in direct result to this IMHO. In Britain, Comics had already started a revolution which was spreading across the pond. The UK had 2000AD and Action Comic, not Action Comics guys. Action was withdrawn from sale after less than a year due to violence. People think Moore started the comics revolution; I would argue Pat Mills did in the UK, and Neal Adams Batman did in the US. Add in Claremont, Miller, Dave Gibbons, Shooter and many others, and you have something serious going on as the '70s finished. America and the UK had embraced Clint Eastwoodesque anti-heroes from Wolverines First appearance in 74 to Dredd's in 77 the characters were changing.
Then came Moore and everything he touched from 1980-86 was unique for comics, I have his run on Warrior and 2000AD both bought as a kid. I have his run in Captain Britain UK... But whilst he was special would he have been able to do what he did without Mills breaking ground? Now we get onto Gaiman, and the '80s, Gaiman started writing in 86 for 2000 AD, but his best work is Sandman, always considered an 80's comic and indeed it began in November 88, but in many ways, it is an early 90's comic. I remember being a post-grad student in London and picking up issue 1. It blew me away, and at this time Moore was bringing to an end Miracle/Marvelman post-Watchmen.
The '90s were not as bad as people remember, the giant crossovers and extended stories popular in the '80s continued. The Miniseries like Marvels and Kingdom Come looked at familiar characters in unfamiliar ways. Marvels visual third person/everyman view of the Marvel Universe is Precious, and the '90s built on the Independents and creator-owned properties we started to see at the end of the '80s. Valiant, Eclipse, Defiant all offered something, and it wasn't all Rob Liefields bad drawing and low-quality plots. Most of Morrisons best work was in the '90s IMHO. Warren Ellis was fresh. The '00s were glossy even the covers; People bang on about comics being woke now. I honestly don't know what that means. X0 was replaced by a girl Randy Cartier, who is black. This is 1993. Sandman and Miracleman have more wokeness than any other comics ever. Winter is Greta Thunberg on steroids, and Miraclewoman will always be the dominant there. So I don't truly get the criticism of now tbh, come at me!
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
This title is a question that has come up many times over the last 15+ years at KMC. I think it's a little more complicated than just answering with a single decade.For instance, what many think was 80's runs started in the '70s,
Miller started Daredevil with issue 158 in 79, Claremont's X men run was well underway in by 1980, and in fact, the Death of Dark Phoenix in case 137 whilst being published in September 1980 was the culmination of a 70's plot.Neal Adams Batman has never been beaten. This was a 70's run, Iron Man Demon in a Bottle was 1979. So what was going on then? At Marvel, Jim Shooter had implemented substantial quality control, and the shitty comics from both Marvel and DC were reducing in direct result to this IMHO. In Britain, Comics had already started a revolution which was spreading across the pond. The UK had 2000AD and Action Comic, not Action Comics guys. Action was withdrawn from sale after less than a year due to violence. People think Moore started the comics revolution; I would argue Pat Mills did in the UK, and Neal Adams Batman did in the US. Add in Claremont, Miller, Dave Gibbons, Shooter and many others, and you have something serious going on as the '70s finished. America and the UK had embraced Clint Eastwoodesque anti-heroes from Wolverines First appearance in 74 to Dredd's in 77 the characters were changing.
Then came Moore and everything he touched from 1980-86 was unique for comics, I have his run on Warrior and 2000AD both bought as a kid. I have his run in Captain Britain UK... But whilst he was special would he have been able to do what he did without Mills breaking ground? Now we get onto Gaiman, and the '80s, Gaiman started writing in 86 for 2000 AD, but his best work is Sandman, always considered an 80's comic and indeed it began in November 88, but in many ways, it is an early 90's comic. I remember being a post-grad student in London and picking up issue 1. It blew me away, and at this time Moore was bringing to an end Miracle/Marvelman post-Watchmen.
The '90s were not as bad as people remember, the giant crossovers and extended stories popular in the '80s continued. The Miniseries like Marvels and Kingdom Come looked at familiar characters in unfamiliar ways. Marvels visual third person/everyman view of the Marvel Universe is Precious, and the '90s built on the Independents and creator-owned properties we started to see at the end of the '80s. Valiant, Eclipse, Defiant all offered something, and it wasn't all Rob Liefields bad drawing and low-quality plots. Most of Morrisons best work was in the '90s IMHO. Warren Ellis was fresh. The '00s were glossy even the covers; People bang on about comics being woke now. I honestly don't know what that means. X0 was replaced by a girl Randy Cartier, who is black. This is 1993. Sandman and Miracleman have more wokeness than any other comics ever. Winter is Greta Thunberg on steroids, and Miraclewoman will always be the dominant there. So I don't truly get the criticism of now tbh, come at me!
I agree that a lot of the great runs of the 80s started in the late 70s. I completely disagree with regard for the 90's. The 90s were so bad they made me drop comics completely from 93 until about 97/98. Honestly I only came back because I heard of the new Justice society book. Þhe problem with the 90s was every comic writer was trying to come up with more shock value than another. The death of Superman, breaking the bat, Steve was no longer considered patriotic enough to wear the red white and blue, hàl Jordan turned evil, the stupid Peter Parker and Ben Reilly shite. Professor Hulk.
The 90s told outlandish stories for the sake of being outlandish
Originally posted by beatboksDid you not like things like Concrete and the Vertigo stuff. Transmetropolitan etc. The 90's had some good shit as well as the awful stuff.
I agree that a lot of the great runs of the 80s started in the late 70s. I completely disagree with regard for the 90's. The 90s were so bad they made me drop comics completely from 93 until about 97/98. Honestly I only came back because I heard of the new Justice society book. Þhe problem with the 90s was every comic writer was trying to come up with more shock value than another. The death of Superman, breaking the bat, Steve was no longer considered patriotic enough to wear the red white and blue, hàl Jordan turned evil, the stupid Peter Parker and Ben Reilly shite. Professor Hulk.The 90s told outlandish stories for the sake of being outlandish