MUI Goku vs SSJ Blue Gogeta

Current Goku takes on the Gogeta from the Broly movie.

There's no such thing as MUI --- and if there is, then only Grand Minister has it.

Current MUI absolutely stomps. A Moro who was even more powerful than Broly (who required SSJB Gogeta’s full power to defeat) broke his arm just trying to punch current MUI Goku.

Goku. MUI is just that good.

have opinions changed on this since the toyotarou interview?

Depends how much stock you put into Uchida's statement that Broly > current Goku. /shrug

That being said, Goku 'leveling-up' to a point where he has surpassed SSB Gogeta in the space of 2 arcs also seems like a bit of a stretch(though obviously not out of the question.)

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
have opinions changed on this since the toyotarou interview?

What did he say?

Originally posted by Inedian
What did he say?

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Originally posted by Galan007
The interviewer is who mentioned Broly's name when Toyotaro was having a hard time coming up with beings more powerful than Goku during the interview. Toyotaro himself only directly mentions Beerus, Whis, and the Grand Priest among those currently above Goku.

A few things worth mentioning, though:

-The interviewer(Victory Uchida) is also one of the main editors of V-Jump and the DBS manga... So at least he isn't just some random joe. His statements should certainly hold some validity/authority(though obviously not to the same extent as Tori or Toyo.)

-Toyotaro didn't question or disagree with Uchida bringing up Broly as one of the beings more powerful than Goku.

-An image of Broly was specifically placed in the video during the segment where they are talking about characters more powerful than Goku:
https://ibb.co/XbXgq6g

That said, as far as irrefutable canon is concerned: Beerus, Whis, and GP are the only being who are undoubtedly above Goku, as they were all explicitly mentioned by Toyotaro himself... Which many of us had assumed anyway, so not much of a shock there.

...But given the above, I'd say it's still very likely that Broly is above Goku as well. That is to say: I won't at all be surprised if/when Broly is irrefutably elevated to that status in future chapters. I don't think it's a coincidence that an editor of the series just happened to name-drop him there. /shrug

Thanks to both of you

There was no doubt about Beerus anyway, but i am glad that Broly is still more powerful... Broly is a beast, raw power which Goku still shouldn't reach yet. He is a beast.

Uchida was the one who brought Broly and in his own words he has almost no creative power or influence in the story compared to Toyo and Toriyama. Since Toyo wrote Granolah, Goku, and Vegeta as being the top 3 mortals in the universe, that means they are stronger than Broly.

Originally posted by Marikina
Uchida was the one who brought Broly and in his own words he has almost no creative power or influence in the story compared to Toyo and Toriyama. Since Toyo wrote Granolah, Goku, and Vegeta as being the top 3 mortals in the universe, that means they are stronger than Broly.

Broly still destroys Goku. He would just overwhelm him.

Originally posted by Inedian
Broly still destroys Goku. He would just overwhelm him.

Broly's shown he has his limits, he'll just as soon hit a wall rather than get strong enough to overwhelm current Goku.

It really doesn't make much sense for current Goku to be above Broly, as that would mean he is now on par with SSB Gogeta, at the very least. MUI or not, that is an absolutely tremendous powerup to achieve in the span of less than 2 arcs. I detailed why here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=17474984#post17474984

However, Goku did note that Moro73 was the toughest opponent he'd ever faced up to that point(implying that Moro73 > Broly.) And just after the Moro arc, Whis stated that Goku and Vegeta were the strongest beings in U7 that he was aware of -- implying that even Moro arc Vegeta > Broly, which makes even less sense.

All of that being said, over the course of like 2 hours, Broly went from being weaker than BASE Vegeta, to forcing even SSB Gogeta to use his most powerful attack to put him down... And there was absolutely no indication that Broly's power had plateau'd -- he just continued growing more powerful the entire time. His exponential zenkais are far beyond anything we've ever seen in the lore.

So I'm fairly confident that when we see Broly again, he will be above Goku. But as of now, Beerus, Whis, and GP are the only beings referenced by Toyo who are irrefutably above him.

Originally posted by Galan007
It really doesn't make much sense for current Goku to be above Broly, as that would mean he is now on par with SSB Gogeta, at the very least. MUI or not, that is an absolutely tremendous powerup to achieve in the span of less than 2 arcs. I detailed why here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=17474984#post17474984

However, Goku did note that Moro73 was the toughest opponent he'd ever faced up to that point(implying that Moro73 > Broly.) And just after the Moro arc, Whis stated that Goku and Vegeta were the strongest beings in U7 that he was aware of -- implying that even Moro arc Vegeta > Broly, which makes even less sense.

All of that being said, over the course of like 2 hours, Broly went from being weaker than BASE Vegeta, to forcing even SSB Gogeta to use his most powerful attack to put him down... And there was absolutely no indication that Broly's power had plateau'd -- he just continued growing more powerful the entire time. His exponential zenkais are far beyond anything we've ever seen in the lore.

So I'm fairly confident that when we see Broly again, he will be above Goku. But as of now, Beerus, Whis, and GP are the only beings referenced by Toyo who are irrefutably above him.

A current version of Goku surpassing his fusion from a previous arc already has a precedent: BoG SSG Goku was stronger than a BoG fusion, which meant the former was stronger than a Buu saga fusion.

Whis wasn't referring to Moro arc Vegeta, he made that comment while Vegeta was already doing his Destruction training.

By "plateau" I meant Broly only adapts to his opponent's power up to a certain point then he needs transformations to get even stronger, and those often need a trigger of some sort.

Originally posted by Marikina
A current version of Goku surpassing his fusion from a previous arc already has a precedent: BoG SSG Goku was stronger than a BoG fusion, which meant the former was stronger than a Buu saga fusion.

In this case, an argument could be made that BASE Gogeta was already on par with SSB Goku... But by the end of the film, it required SSB Gogeta's full power Kamehameha to defeat Broly... Indicating that Broly was thousands upon thousands of times more powerful than SSB Goku, as of the film.

Not saying it's out of the question for Goku's power to have increased that much between the Broly and Moro arcs(dumber things have happened), but that's... One helluva multiplier for MUI, if true.
srug

Originally posted by Marikina
Whis wasn't referring to Moro arc Vegeta, he made that comment while Vegeta was already doing his Destruction training.

Whereas Goku, with absolutely NO training from Beerus, was able to use [albeit imperfect] destruction techniques to a far greater extent back in the Zamasu arc:
https://ibb.co/bXpZM4h
https://ibb.co/VgdvcHS
https://ibb.co/wpg5T0c

So IF Vegeta was more powerful than his Moro-arc self when Whis made that statement, it certainly wasn't by much at all.

And I don't know about you, but putting that Vegeta above Broly doesn't sit well with me... But again, "logic" isn't something I've come to expect in this lore. /shrug

Originally posted by Marikina
By "plateau" I meant Broly only adapts to his opponent's power up to a certain point then he needs transformations to get even stronger, and those often need a trigger of some sort.

Broly just couldn't close the gap in power/zenkai fast enough, which is why SSB Gogeta's full power Kamehameha would have put him down. His power certainly never plateau'd, though.