yeah hard to believe he wouldn't be able to affect vision badly with his powers if he really wanted to--even his intangible form has been affected by exotic energy and he's durable enough to withstand a phase attack i'd think. vision is a tough match up for most, but i think bm's powerset should be able to handle him more times than not.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Bee Tee Dubs.....Carver may argue BM was beaten 'off-panel'.That's fair enough, but just remember:
He better not be hypocritical.
Hey I never saw that showing,but you are correct Blue Marvel was there. The Vision one shots Ironman, defeats Jane Thor, and several other Avengers present, but we don't actually see an encounter with Adam. I guess that it would be perfectly logical to believe that the Vision defeats him as well, albeit off panel since he was present. This is like Adam defeating Pagan off panel, except in that case people seemed to believe that Adam wasn't capable of defeating Pagan even after seeing the punch to the face. Weird how we see what we want to see huh?
Originally posted by Stoic
I logically believe that the Vision defeated everyone present, just like Adam logically completed every task that he mentioned, which included successfully stopping Pagan's rampage.
Fair enough, so we are in agreement that Vision wins, only you are basing it on a comic and I am basing it on my like for Vision 👆
Originally posted by DarkSaint85lmao
Fair enough, so we are in agreement that Vision wins, only you are basing it on a comic and I am basing it on my like for Vision 👆
Originally posted by -K-M-👆
He had help to do that
I don't think the shields would keep Vision much, if at all, from getting his hands on him.
How does Vision's power compare to one [two?] strikes from King Hyperion who took his shield down?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not initially.He held the Shaper long enough to hear what it wanted. It was reinforced later on when Monica started to regulate his neurotransmitters. To be able to hold something of that level is still quite a feat.
Hmmm? He was containing him while he was reforming after Black Panther and Captain Marvel disintegrated him. When the ghost reformed he was about to break out and instantly asked for Monica’s help
Blue Marvel: Can I keep it up? As long as I have to. This isn’t the Shaper, T’challa. It’s his GHOST—an ECHO of his former self. A last desperate attempt to carry a message…
*After it gives its message it dissipates
Originally posted by -K-M-
Hmmm? He was containing him while he was reforming after Black Panther and Captain Marvel disintegrated him. When the ghost reformed he was about to break out and instantly asked for Monica’s helpBlue Marvel: Can I keep it up? As long as I have to. This isn’t the Shaper, T’challa. It’s his GHOST—an ECHO of his former self. A last desperate attempt to carry a message…
*After it gives its message it dissipates
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He held it inside until it was stable. It was his plan after all to "stabilize it". Eventually it was too much to handle and Monica stepped in and regulated his mind.
It also never dissipated. The construct was held and it kept Shaper well into the next issue.
That was because he was still reforming. Black Panther and Carol dissipated him to give you an idea of power. Once he reformed he peacefully wanted to tell his story. When he got serious he couldn’t contain him without Monica manipulating his brain. Basically was docile until he wasn’t and then that’s when BM lost control
Even BM didn’t think it was that impressive as it wasn’t shaper he “contained” and “stabilized”
Originally posted by -K-M-
That was because he was still reforming. Black Panther and Carol dissipated him to give you an idea of power. Once he reformed he peacefully wanted to tell his story. When he got serious he couldn’t contain him without Monica manipulating his brain. Basically was docile until he wasn’t and then that’s when BM lost controlEven BM didn’t think it was that impressive as it wasn’t shaper he “contained” and “stabilized”
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It was lets say in a chaotic state. However peaceful one may think it was, it was actively trying to break out of containment. And by actively(whether on purpose or not) i mean that it was very difficult to hold even to the point where another had to help just so he can better reinforce his construct.
I strongly disagree. Compare his speech and actions while he was giving his talk to when he was visibly angry...it’s night and day.
Black Panther thought what BM did was impressive only to be corrected by BM himself saying it’s only an echo of shaper and hardly a true representation of him. I’m not seeing how this is the be all feat as when this ghost got serious BM needed Monica’s help to manipulate his brain