Originally posted by Vanguard
Okay Darksaint but Peter is not Class 40. We don’t know if the tanker is empty or full. We do not know if all tankers are created equal.
This just sounds like 'Nu-uh, I don't like it so no!'. I clearly showed THREE separate occasions where he lifts 40 tons or more, casually.
We know it is full, because when Parker pierces the top of the tank, oil jets out:
Regardless, even IF it were empty (and I have clearly shown it wasn't), then....what, cut that 44tons by half? So 22 tons? Still a world away from pushing a 5 ton rhino to the ground - he casually swings that bad boy a good distance into the air.
1. The railcar feat, where he holds 2-3 railcars up (assume they're empty, and he lifted 2, which makes that 60 tons). Whilst buzzing from a bad headache.
2. The oil tanker feat, which he casually did (AND threw it pretty high up in the sky) - where the tanker would be ~40 tons
3. The T-90 tank feat, where he swings a tank that weighs ~45-50 tons into another one, smashing it to bits, whilst throwing casual quips.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I mean... While Peter is definitely the physical superior, and his spidey sense and reflexes coupled together make it extremely hard for opponents to tag him, skilled fighters like Tasky and Logan (who are close to BPs level) have been able to fight and hold off Spidey. With Tchallas skill and strategy, pure H2H should see him take the fight.
However one or two clean hits from Spidey and down BP goes. Spidey has the power while Black Panther has the skill, so while I'm veering towards BP, it's basically going to he whoever lands the first crippling strike.
Wolverine vs Spiderman is a very matchup specific fight, which is why it is so hotly contested. Wolverine avoids the strength problem due to his adamantium and healing factor. That changes the entire dynamic of the fight.
This thread is a hand to hand fight with no equipment. Why would either of these apply to Black Panther here?
Originally posted by Vanguard
Reasonable
Originally posted by Vanguard
Darksaint he’s strong. Stronger than Panther. I don’t have access to my scans right now but I can post a class 10 feat for TChalla. You’re lowballing Panther strength and highballing Peter. Strength is not the only factor in this fight.
I'm not lowballing Panther - I was using the feats YOU posted (i.e the rhino, because Panther never threw a spear through marble).
I do like how double your standards were. 'Oh, we can't possibly assume tankers are the same! Btw, here are some rough calculations I did on marble, assuming they're the same....'
Agreed strength isn't the only thing. But you just gave me Panther's best strength feat - which is still only 25% that of Peter's. 17% if we use the railcar feat (which you said you were familiar with).
So apart from strength, we can do durability next. Give me Panther's best durability feats, without his suit, and we shall stack them against Spidey's best.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I only post feats and facts.You can clearly see the length of the tanker Spidey casually tossed - clearly 22 wheeler.
You can clearly read for yourself what a 22 wheeler weighs. In the absence of anything else, we simply go with what is shown. And that is that a 22 wheeler weighs that amount.
I then post him casually swinging a T-90 tank around, hard enough to smash another one.
Proof it was a T-90:
And here is it's weight:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90You can clearly see it is 46-48 tons 😂
That's not the best example to use.
As Paladin refers to them being "mini-tanks"... and he's easily a more credible source than Parker, when it comes to military stuff....
So they were modernized/customized/comic-fied T-90s, if anything.
Of course, I'm not denying Parker has hundreds of other strength feats surpassing those of T'Challa.
Swinging a mini-tank is already more impressive than struggling with a boulder anyway, lol.
Fully powered Panther, btw.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW1. https://i.ibb.co/Zz2yCTs/blackskrull01.jpg
2. https://i.ibb.co/syStHh4/blackskrull02.jpg
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's not the best example to use.As Paladin refers to them being "mini-tanks"... and he's easily a more credible source than Parker, when it comes to military stuff....
So they were modernized/customized/comic-fied T-90s, if anything.
Of course, I'm not denying Parker has hundreds of other strength feats surpassing those of T'Challa.
Swinging a mini-tank is already more impressive than struggling with a boulder anyway, lol.
Potentially - but then it wasn't Spidey who called them T-90s, but the paramilitaries. They DO look slightly smaller, but not by much - 5 wheels, vs a real life T-90 with 6.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Potentially - but then it wasn't Spidey who called them T-90s, but the paramilitaries. They DO look slightly smaller, but not by much - 5 wheels, vs a real life T-90 with 6.
Yeah, you're right.
Sure, the feat is still really good; especially when we consider how Parker was wrecking them and swinging into each other.
Then you have Pete literally just flicking his finger in order to help Paladin with the freight car here, in the same story (now that's feat):
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11114/111148699/3802231-6962797729-Amazi.jpg
I'm just saying, considering Spider-Man's initial confusion, Paladin calling them mini-tanks in the next panel and surviving a direct shot from one just due to kevlar suit... it's safe to assume they weren't bona fide tanks:
https://i.imgur.com/o5SFUHU.jpg
The matter briefly discussed on reddit:
