Ahsoka didn't had more resources than Vader. On knowledge they are not even comparable. There is no evidence for Ahsoka having even above average knowledge considering that the empire took most of the resources.
Even the GI was allowed to study the secrets of the jedi (the ones Jocasta alowed only masters to acces). And Vader's level of knowledge far surpassed the inquisitors as Sidious intented.
And again. Knowledge =/=power.
Originally posted by DarthadiBased on their "fight" in the comics, it's relatively simple to deduce that Vader never surpassed Palpatine, regardless of the preexisting quotes that implied Vader was stronger. Not sure what your hold-up is here?
1. The new comic doesn't contradict Vader>Palps as of FO. Different time period. If we take the quote at face value Vader surpassed Sheev during that time period.While there is not direct confirmation for Vader losing potential, it was implied by multiple characters to be the case in the comics and even the sequel movies.
Originally posted by DarthadiThe point you're making here doesn't really prove anything.
2. Anakin would have stomped ROTS Ahsoka worse than Vader defeated Rebels Ahsoka (a 2 minutes fight is not a stomp).
This means that the gap is smaller in Rebels which means that the gap between Rebels Ahsoka and ROTS Ahsoka is larger than the gap between Rebels Vader and Anakin. Ergo, Vader's growth was slower than Ahsoka's. And in this case knowledge is not a valid excuse as Vader is superior to Tano in this departament.
Rebels Ahsoka was "vastly" superior to TCW Ahsoka, and Vader still beat her decisively in under 2 minutes. If we knew for a fact that Ahsoka was operating precisely at 'x' level during Rebels, maybe your point would make more sense?
But as it stands, all we know is that TCW Ahsoka was very close to Maul's level, and Rebels Ahsoka was "vastly more skilled" than she was during TCW. For all we know, Rebels Ahsoka could have been > Dooku... We don't know either way, so trying to draw any sort of legitimate or quantifiable comparison is faulty.
Originally posted by DarthadiIndeed. But at the end of the day, Vader's overall growth was still limited by the fact that Palpatine was restricting his knowledge/teachings, and therefore keeping his power in-check. Again, Vader essentially could only become as powerful as Palpatine allowed him to become.
3. And my point is that Palpatine keeping secrets from Vader is not a plausible explanation for the huge gap demonstrated in the comics (which is far greater than the gap in ROTS based on Yoda/Dooku scaling).Knowledge is a factor for growth for sure, but not the only factor. Spiritual growth, biological potential, willpower and fighting experience are just as important and Vader had them all.
Originally posted by DarthadiPalpatine certainly wasn't your run-of-the-mill Sith Master, and we have no reason to believe that his power ever plateaued with age(to the contrary, we have every reason to believe that it increased massively in the years between RotS and RotJ.)
All masters keep secrets from their apprentices (it's not something specific to Sidious) but they still often get surpassed if the apprentice have the potential to do so. In Vader's case not only that he didn't surpass Sheev, but he was not even close. The gap even got larger post ROTS despite Sheev being far older (so he would hit diminished returns).
As I said on the last page, the indication seems to be that the potential of the Palpatine bloodline is at least in the same ballpark as the Skywalker bloodline(*looks at Rey*.) So if Palpatine was hoarding/studying a vast amount of knowledge for decadeS, while Vader was only given a small trickle here and there, the gap between them could logically never be bridged. Palpatine already started off at a much higher level than Anakin/Vader during RotS, in all likelihood had a similar(albeit inferior) potential, and most importantly: had the means to retain that gap in power by way of incessantly hoarding knowledge, whilst cherry-picking which tidbits he wanted to feed Vader(which were ultimately just enough to keep Vader subservient and wanting more, but not enough to make him a rival on his own... "Busy work", as Vader called it.)
Originally posted by DarthadiThat's all I'm saying. 👆
4. I agree that it would make more sense than Luke just growing that much naturally tho.
1. It's simple. Vader surpassed Sidious during FO, but Sidious took the lead again in ESB. This would be the logical conclusion if we take the quote at face value.
2. You still don't get it. Where Rebels Ahsoka stands relative to Dooku is irrelevant to my point.
Rebels Ahsoka is closer to Vader than ROTS Ahsoka is to Anakin.
This means that between ROTS and Rebels, Ahsoka grew more than Vader. If even Ahsoka has faster grow than him, how i'm suposed to belive that he kept his potential.
And unlike with Palps, Ahsoka's knowledge is inferior to Vader's
3. We went over this in that other threat. I belive that Anakin's potential is vastly superior to Palpatine's (or pretty much anyone in the verse including other Skywalkers)
And again, the gap between them got even larger and by a huge degree. Palpatine ragdolled Vader casually. The gap was much smaller in ROTS based on Dooku scaling. (Dooku who can't be ragdolled by Yoda in a combat scenario).
Sidious hoarding knowledge is not even close to a good enough explanation for me. Lack of knowledge never stoped someone like Anakin or Luke to grow super fast in way less time than Vader had.
I don't think we will agree on this one so maybe it's better to agree to disagree (again)
Originally posted by ares834
It’s worse. The author of the book used supershadows midichlorian list... 😂This is the level of current SW “authors”.
THIS Supershadow?
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/SuperShadow
facepalm