Originally posted by leonidas
mogo gets loads of lip-service from people and the corps. but hal is widely considered by....everyone to be the greatest, most powerful of the lanterns. let's say hal is....very determined to take mogo down. can he win in a battle against the living planet?
And Mogo doesn't just gets lip service, he is ****ing powerful.
https://i.imgur.com/D4tQANe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uetpAOu.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uJ8c5fy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ASW0duH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/f6nH25f.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/e8NtpSj.jpg
It shows you how far above even top-tier Lanterns Hal is, when Kyle barely managed to control his ring/willpower initially(and that was AFTER Hal had literally willed his ring over to him.) Additionally, the ring actually started asserting Hal's will into Kyle's own consciousness.
...Never mind the fact that Kyle almost indirectly blew apart HQ/Mogo just trying to contain the power of Hal's ring.
now this is a serious question--how do you reconcile the fact that hal's ring (assuming you take john's comment at face value) has enough power to 'accidentally' destroy mogo, yet hal himself was treated like a child by orion? that would mean--literally--that orion is many times more powerful than hal, who is orders of magnitude more powerful than mogo.... how does any of that make any sense? 😑
Hal.
Originally posted by Galan007👆
https://i.imgur.com/D4tQANe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uetpAOu.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uJ8c5fy.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/ASW0duH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/f6nH25f.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/e8NtpSj.jpgIt shows you how far above even top-tier Lanterns Hal is, when Kyle barely managed to control his ring/willpower initially(and that was AFTER Hal had literally willed his ring over to him.) Additionally, the ring actually started asserting Hal's will into Kyle's own consciousness.
...Never mind the fact that Kyle almost indirectly blew apart HQ/Mogo just trying to contain the power of Hal's ring.
Hal has become so powerful over time that he makes even Kyle, who is legit the second most powerful, look like a noob, lol.
Originally posted by leonidas
now this is a serious question--how do you reconcile the fact that hal's ring (assuming you take john's comment at face value) has enough power to 'accidentally' destroy mogo, yet hal himself was treated like a child by orion? that would mean--literally--that orion is many times more powerful than hal, who is orders of magnitude more powerful than mogo.... how does any of that make any sense? 😑
Originally posted by leonidas
now this is a serious question--how do you reconcile the fact that hal's ring (assuming you take john's comment at face value) has enough power to 'accidentally' destroy mogo, yet hal himself was treated like a child by orion? that would mean--literally--that orion is many times more powerful than hal, who is orders of magnitude more powerful than mogo.... how does any of that make any sense? 😑
Because comics?
The times, they are a-changing, Leo.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm sorry but this petulance is just juvenile.
yeah, probably, but it serves to illustrate the...absurdity of what you're trying to say. there is no way to reconcile it. the only way to do it (as regards orion for example) is to say when he met hal it was a terribly low feat for hal, or that orion is...far and away more powerful than a guardian. it simply doesn't track.
there have ALWAYS been inconsistencies in comics--highs and lows--but it feels more and more like HIGH FEATS are being viewed as the norm when it used to be that high feats were recognized for what they are. problem with that thinking is it leads to absurd conclusions like orion>>>a skyfather. it makes having rationale discussion almost impossible. but maybe rationale discussion is a thing of the past in the forum. /shrug
Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, probably, but it serves to illustrate the...absurdity of what you're trying to say. there is no way to reconcile it. the only way to do it (as regards orion for example) is to say when he met hal it was a terribly low feat for hal, or that orion is...far and away more powerful than a guardian. it simply doesn't track.there have ALWAYS been inconsistencies in comics--highs and lows--but it feels more and more like HIGH FEATS are being viewed as the norm when it used to be that high feats were recognized for what they are. problem with that thinking is it leads to absurd conclusions like orion>>>a skyfather. it makes having rationale discussion almost impossible. but maybe rationale discussion is a thing of the past in the forum. /shrug
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Category😮rion_(Prime_Earth)/Appearances
If we remove that, he has barely 30-35 appearances in the last decade where he
Stalemated Superman
Completely stomped Hal
Completely stomped Mogo
Is outright stated to be more powerful than Guardians
Destroyed a solar system just by shockwaves of his fight
How's this supposed to work, we pretend that these don't matter and Orion is just as powerful as before, because?
Originally posted by leonidasIt sounds the power creep makes you uncomfortable. Understandably so, I guess.
yeah, probably, but it serves to illustrate the...absurdity of what you're trying to say. there is no way to reconcile it. the only way to do it (as regards orion for example) is to say when he met hal it was a terribly low feat for hal, or that orion is...far and away more powerful than a guardian. it simply doesn't track.there have ALWAYS been inconsistencies in comics--highs and lows--but it feels more and more like HIGH FEATS are being viewed as the norm when it used to be that high feats were recognized for what they are. problem with that thinking is it leads to absurd conclusions like orion>>>a skyfather. it makes having rationale discussion almost impossible. but maybe rationale discussion is a thing of the past in the forum. /shrug
In comparison
In 60 years and across more than a thousand issues Odin has barely two or three galactic level feats, yet he is widely considered a galaxy level character and premier skyfather.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/odin/4005-3507/
More than 2000 issues and Surfer has barely half dozen planetary feats, yet he is considered the highest herald. Don't start on the black hole level surfer lol.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/silver-surfer/4005-2502/
These forums were always slanted towards high feats, don't kid yourself.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not sure what you are saying here. Orion has literally 72 appearances in New 52 (Wonder Woman series in 2011 was retconned as false memories and Mr Miracle was shown as an alternate reality).https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Category😮rion_(Prime_Earth)/Appearances
If we remove that, he has barely 30-35 appearances in the last decade where he
Stalemated Superman
Completely stomped Hal
Completely stomped Mogo
Is outright stated to be more powerful than Guardians
Destroyed a solar system just by shockwaves of his fightHow's this supposed to work, we pretend that these don't matter and Orion is just as powerful as before, because?
They're called high ends for a reason, he's not consistently portrayed at that level. Surfer IS, that's the big difference. Stop being bias towards marvel, it's getting old
Originally posted by abhilegend
Silver Surfer solos with a black hole in the brain, amirite?
Obviously. Marvel chars need 1 statement from a random mini series or 2 feats in 60 years.
DC chars need at least a decade of high showings and even then, it would still be irrational 👆
You and your agenda abhi! I see what you are doing!
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
They're called high ends for a reason, he's not consistently portrayed at that level. Surfer IS, that's the big difference. Stop being bias towards marvel, it's getting old
Originally posted by Philosophía
Obviously. Marvel chars need 1 statement from a random mini series or 2 feats in 60 years.DC chars need at least a decade of high showings and even then, it would still be irrational 👆
You and your agenda abhi! I see what you are doing!
Wow, I'm getting hang of it.
