Yahoo pushes idea of white, male, heterosexual, and non-disabled privilege..

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Give an example of:

1.) Small gov. That stayed small.

P.s. I meant to ask, not tell.

2.) Big gov. That became small.

P.s.s. a little drunk and struggling

The last 40 years of neoliberal politics has been an example of governments giving up more and more of their power and outsourcing it to private corporations. I suppose it depends on what you consider a small government, but governments are definitely willing to give up powers that should be in the hands of their democratic sovereigns.

Originally posted by Artol
Of course, I expect we would disagree how they would act differently, I believe companies would act worse if they didn’t even have the small chains of the state that decades of labor and social activism has put on them. In fact I believe they would soon develop state like structures that solely serve their interests.

Originally posted by Scribble
I'll dip back into this discussion properly at a later date but for the moment I just wanted to say that I'm entirely on the same page as Artol here. Companies and corporations left to "do what thou wilt" would not only be worse than their current barely-shackled forms, but would actually become neo-feudal states in their own right.

All three of you see it exactly backwards.

The state has monopolized power, therefore they're the sole power broker on the block. It doesnt run the other way.

Neoliberalism, which is socialism to me, is not and never will be a free market. Conflating the two is a mistake

I'll be clear. Libertarians/an caps are not defending america as it is. America is socialist/fascist. Not a free market

Originally posted by ilikecomics
The state has monopolized power, therefore they're the sole power broker on the block. It doesnt run the other way.

1 word.

Lobbyists.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
All three of you see it exactly backwards.

The state has monopolized power, therefore they're the sole power broker on the block. It doesnt run the other way.

Neoliberalism, which is socialism to me, is not and never will be a free market. Conflating the two is a mistake

Neoliberalism is very different to socialism, bordering on opposite. In one sense, anyway; I suppose neoliberalism could be seen as 'socialism for the rich'.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
I'll be clear. Libertarians/an caps are not defending america as it is. America is socialist/fascist. Not a free market

Actually, I agree to an extent about privilege based on skin tone.

Those "Like the... sign says?" commercials from Progressive are all white people.

Its a privilege for whites to get to see whites twirling that sign, we need to diversify that up.

Jake from State Farm is Black now, so it evens out.

Originally posted by Scribble
The Nation State is dead in the water. Global corporations, banks, etc. have considerably more power and sway over the world than any government today. The reason this has come about is because they have been given unfettered freedom to do, more or less, whatever they like.

Neoliberalism is very different to socialism, bordering on opposite. In one sense, anyway; I suppose neoliberalism could be seen as 'socialism for the rich'.
What do you define as a "free market"? Or what constitutes one?

As long as the state prints money, they will control the military, which is the club of it's monopolized force.

I don't see how this works the other way. Facebook arguably has more power than the state in certain aspects. Facebook can't foist a 27 trillion dollar debt on us, nor can they force us to stay in our homes. What power do you think these companies have, exactly, that makes them more powerful than the state.
It isn't force.
It isn't control of the money.
It isn't law making ability.

The entities you listed are extensions of the state, if a bank is bailed out it's automatically part of what I mean by the state, same with lobbyism etc. The problem with you understanding my point is that you're taking the state as an axiom.

List a single world bank or corporation, that does bad stuff that isn't linked to the state. A single example.

Neoliberalism = a group of people making decisions about the economy. This is definitionally socialism.

A free market is where anybody can associate or trade with anyone. That's it. If a guy becomes the best seller of golf balls, because he's better at it than everyone else, and people choose to give him their money autonomously,band he becomes a millionaire this is legitimate.

If a golf ball seller petitions the state to make it illegal for other people to sell golf balls, this is illegitimate and not free market.

Originally posted by Robtard
Jake from State Farm is Black now, so it evens out.

I'm happy that commercial came out, otherwise I'd have to assume all black guys can't make good insurance agents.
Inclusivity saves another mind from the fetid prison that is white supremacist thought !

I think you might be reading too much into that casting choice.

Originally posted by Robtard
Jake from State Farm is Black now, so it evens out.

👆 😂

Originally posted by Robtard
I think you might be reading too much into that casting choice.

I was being sarcastic about the idea of representation.

I only believe you 93.8%

Originally posted by Robtard
I only believe you 93.8%

That's a fair percentage.

Bastards can't be choosers