You are pretty stupid. Causing cosmetic damage does nothing. If you watch the films then you know what it takes to permanently put one down. Hint: Look at the first film.
Terminator just needs to grab one of them (which is easy).
To prevent bias just imagine you were both Cap and T-800. You then had to choose to be one of them for a real fight. If you lose then you die for real.
Originally posted by Robtard
Fact: A small homemade pipebomb blew the T800 in two, Cap's shield and Bucky's roboarm where able to damage the Iron Man MK46 suit, so they're going to tearing into the T800.
1. T800 was highly resistant against rifle rounds and getting smashed by trucks and all types of shit.
2. That bomb's power output >>>> both of their power output by a large margin.
3. Arguing low showings for one character vs high showings of another is unfair.
In conclusion
Bucky punches it with metal arm and does nothing. Maybe a little cosmetic damage. T-800 grabs one of them and it is over.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. T800 was highly resistant against rifle rounds and getting smashed by trucks and all types of shit.2. That bomb's power output >>>> both of their power output by a large margin.
3. Arguing low showings for one character vs high showings of another is unfair.
In conclusion
Bucky punches it with metal arm and does nothing. Maybe a little cosmetic damage. T-800 grabs one of them and it is over.
So? We use film feats.
With that logic, you're effectively arguing that the small pipebomb would have damaged Iron Man then, as they both damaged it. Just silly.
Agreed, why I'm not doing that 👆
Your fanfic scenario has no basis in film feats considering Bucky's non-vibranium roboarm damaged the IM MK46 suit and IM's suits have much higher showings of durability than the T800. eg The MK3 suit in Iron Man (2008) took a tank shelling and suffered only superficial damage. Cap is strong enough to break a T800's joints with the edge of his shield, going by film feats.
Originally posted by Robtard
So? We use film feats.With that logic, you're effectively arguing that the small pipebomb would have damaged Iron Man then. Just silly.
Agreed, why I'm not doing that 👆
Your fanfic scenario has no basis in film feats considering Bucky's non-vibranium roboarm damaged the IM MK46 suit and IM's suits have much higher showings of durability than the T800. eg The MK3 suit in Iron Man (2008) took a tank shelling and suffered only superficial damage. Cap is strong enough to break a T800's joints with the edge of his shield, going by film feats.
Wrong. Fiction is inconsistent. Characters in one scene are stronger and more durable than in other scenes. You should know this. This is common sense.
Cap and Bucky cant output more power than a bomb, rifle rounds, or a semi truck traveling with speed. You would be stupid if you actually believed that.
And IM from first film was stronger and more durable than I'M from civil war. This is because of fiction inconsistency.
Again you can't use a character's highest showings against another character's lowest showings. That's unfair and bias.
Cap isn't doing anything with the shield except causing cosmetic damage. Same for Bucky.
Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong? We use film feats here, not your imagination, deal with it.As noted, both men have already damaged more durable metals than the T800 with roboarm and shield. Your claims fail.
You failed to counter the film feats/point I brought froth, you're done here.
Characters operate at different durability levels in different scenes. So if a character has a contradictory lower showing then we ignore it.
Cap only caused cosmetic damage to the area of IM where you are giving his other feats from. His ankles are irrelevant.
A good showing for one character can be easily interpreted as a low showing for another character.
We must look at consistent showings to determine whether it was a low showing for IM or a good showing for Cap.
Clearly a low showing for IM when considering all things. Therefore, the showing is irrelevant.
Cap can cause cosmetic damage with the shield. I agreed with that. But that won't put T800 down. Cap gets one hit before is grabbed. Then T800 makes a wish.
https://gfycat.com/creativehorribleblueshark - T-800 casually holds up a 12.5 ton school bus with one arm
https://gfycat.com/wastefultallbeetle-respectthreads-whowouldwin - Holds open massive blast doors that are so tall we can't see the top of them and wider than his body.
https://gfycat.com/composedlateheterodontosaurus - Tears a T-600 in half
https://gfycat.com/fortunatepointlessflickertailsquirrel-respectthreads - Threw a light pole from the parking lot inside the building hard enough to impale T-3000 to a wall.
https://gfycat.com/oddglisteningairedale - One handedly slings Rev-9 30-50 feet through a safety railing so hard he bounces off a wall
https://gfycat.com/polishedforkedboa - Punches a reinforced steel door off it's hinges and sends it flying
T-800 is plenty tough too.
https://gfycat.com/unevenactivehummingbird - Dives through helicopter blades and only his synthskin is cut in a few places.
https://streamable.com/zmql - Took him a while but shrugged off getting molten metal poured and hardened on him.
https://gfycat.com/wearyshowyfowl - Takes a headshot from a speeding 18 wheeler and then gets run over and dragged under the entire thing.
https://streamable.com/tpnq - Fine after being exploded inside a fuel tanker.
https://gfycat.com/elaboratejauntygypsymoth-arnold-schwarzenegger - His body slamming into a speeding cop car destroys it and forces it to stop
https://gfycat.com/legitimateickyclumber - Ignores skynet energy weapons
https://gfycat.com/heartfeltmadgermanwirehairedpointer - Tanks 2 40mm grenades to the face
People acting like the T-800 is gonna get stomped out seems weird to me when he's got plenty of strength and durability feats far above anything Cap or Bucky have done. Bucky's showings against Walker alone have dropped his stock a lot. And unlike Tony, Terminator will be trying to kill them from the beginning. He might not win 10/10, but he's not getting steamrolled when he is their physical superior by a lot.
Originally posted by FrothByte
^ Nobody ever questioned how strong or tough a T800 is, but the fact is that it's too slow and unskilled to keep up with the super soldiers. Whatever strength and durability advantage it has its not going to be enough to bridge that gap in skill.
It showed incredible hand speed when grabbing the shotgun.
My argument is that it can absorb a hit in order to grab one of them.
Originally posted by h1a8You don't think another one of them will immediately intervene?
It showed incredible hand speed when grabbing the shotgun.
My argument is that it can absorb a hit in order to grab one of them.
If you wanna get real, Reese managed to hold one off with a steel pipe for about a minute straight, it was more comfortable punching him than it was grabbing him.
If it can do "cosmetic damage", like PIERCING THE CHEST with a throw, it can probably do something like sever the neck, no?
If we're assuming Ultron in that scene and the T-800 have similar durability (though T-800 is likely weaker in that respect.)
Also the T-800 doesn't have the strength to break Bucky's vibranium arm, or punch with enough force to send a blocking Cap flying or maybe even enough to knock him over, Thor tried that and Cap was fine.
Also, again, Vibranium is absolutely stronger than the T-800's hyperalloy, so I'd imagine a punch from it with a NORMAL PERSON would do damage, let-alone a near-Superhuman like Bucky.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
You don't think another one of them will immediately intervene?If you wanna get real, Reese managed to hold one off with a steel pipe for about a minute straight, it was more comfortable punching him than it was grabbing him.
If it can do "cosmetic damage", like PIERCING THE CHEST with a throw, it can probably do something like sever the neck, no?
If we're assuming Ultron in that scene and the T-800 have similar durability (though T-800 is likely weaker in that respect.)
Also the T-800 doesn't have the strength to break Bucky's vibranium arm, or punch with enough force to send a blocking Cap flying or maybe even enough to knock him over, Thor tried that and Cap was fine.
Also, again, Vibranium is absolutely stronger than the T-800's hyperalloy, so I'd imagine a punch from it with a NORMAL PERSON would do damage, let-alone a near-Superhuman like Bucky.
One of them intervening won't do anything. It will just absorb hits while it snaps a neck, etc.
Using low showings or PIS won't help your case. We all know that a human would be an insect to a t-800.
It wouldn't sever the neck just because it got stuck in Ultron. And if you want to pick and choose showings to be bias then I can too. There was shit less durable than Ultron that the shield couldn't penetrate. You don't see me mentioning low showings do you?
The vibranium arm is connected to Buckys flesh. Just rip it from there.