Originally posted by FrothByte
Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. I've was a big fan of pulling CW characters into these matches back when I used to watch CW. Was just trying to provide clarity.
Yeah, no worries. My criticism wasn't directed at you. And most of the CW shows have gone to shit. I still enjoy Legends of Tomorrow for its goofiness (and Constantine), but the only ones really worth it still are Stargirl (which was pretty good despite IMO having a somewhat weak finale) and the new Superman show, which has been off to a strong start.
Originally posted by Impediment
I don’t have to change anything.It’s there as clear as crystal.
They’ve appeared in both film and tv. I only literally typed that it’s allowed. Same powers, different interpretations.
Don’t like it? Exit the thread. Simple. Don’t participate.
Ok, if those are the new rules, they're the new rules.
Here's a respect thread for CW Superman as well. Unfortunately, a lot of the feats don't look as visually spectacular due to the other CW shows having less than half the budget that his own show does. Also, it doesn't have all of his feats, but it has most:
https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/a6ac1l/respect_superman_cws_arrowverse/
And here is him vs Routh Superman. Again, VFX not that good due to lower budget at the time. Though a thing to note is that while Hoechlin Supes was losing, as mentioned in my initial post, Routh Superman was bloodlusted while Hoechlin Superman had just returned from months of living under a red sun and was trying to reason with Routh:
Anyway, this plus what I posted earlier should be enough for people who haven't watched the shows to be able to make an informed decision on who wins.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ I didnt mind Routh Superman winning that one. Especially given at the time CW Supergirl > CW Superman. So at least one version of Superman could possibly take the top spot on that show.
I think Routh Superman should be > Kara. Because even though she did beat Hoechlin Superman when they fought, it took everything she had to do so. I mean she literally collapsed from exhaustion right after KO'ing Clark. They basically made it as even as they could and still have her come out on top. Her winning was still weird though, because later in that same episode Clark was showing her new moves that he didn't use while they were fighting IIRC. But then Supergirl writers were never going to have her lose to Clark on her own show. Though I will say Supergirl has actually accumulated a bunch of pretty impressive feats over the course of her show and the crossovers events. If we ignore the PIS low-end showings, she's actually extremely strong, fast, durable and an overall powerhouse.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Anyway would like to take part but Superman and Lois not available for me yet. Probably wont be for a few months.
Well, if you're okay with some spoilers for the first three episodes, I posted some stuff from the show on an earlier page. The action looks WAY better than it did before, as Superman's solo show has a much higher budget than any of the previous CW superhero projects and it makes a huge difference.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I think Routh Superman should be > Kara. Because even though she did beat Hoechlin Superman when they fought, it took everything she had to do so. I mean she literally collapsed from exhaustion right after KO'ing Clark. They basically made it as even as they could and still have her come out on top. Her winning was still weird though, because later in that same episode Clark was showing her new moves that he didn't use while they were fighting IIRC. But then Supergirl writers were never going to have her lose to Clark on her own show. Though I will say Supergirl has actually accumulated a bunch of pretty impressive feats over the course of her show and the crossovers events. If we ignore the PIS low-end showings, she's actually extremely strong, fast, durable and an overall powerhouse.
Wasnt just that fight though. Was in the last crossover when they were both using their heat vision and Clarks gave up first.
Shes got good feats. But Superman should be no. 1. Making her lose to him wouldnt have taken anything away from her, but certainly does take away from Superman.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, if you're okay with some spoilers for the first three episodes, I posted some stuff from the show on an earlier page. The action looks WAY better than it did before, as Superman's solo show has a much higher budget than any of the previous CW superhero projects and it makes a huge difference.
Yeah ive been reading some stuff, and it sounds like its pretty good.
Ive heard its more like an HBO production than a CW one.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Wasnt just that fight though. Was in the last crossover when they were both using their heat vision and Clarks gave up first.Shes got good feats. But Superman should be no. 1. Making her lose to him wouldnt have taken anything away from her, but certainly does take away from Superman.
Well, as I mentioned previously, Clark had spent eight months living under the influence of a red star while out of action before that crossover happened. So, one could argue that he wasn't quite back to full power at that point.
But yeah, logically speaking, he should be more powerful than Kara. But as we've established, the writers of Supergirl would never let that happen.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah ive been reading some stuff, and it sounds like its pretty good.Ive heard its more like an HBO production than a CW one.
Well, HBO is streaming a bunch of the CW shows now and might even help finance more of their original content in the future. I actually did a bit of research and if the 3x more than Supergirl estimate is correct, then this show has a budget of around $8-9 million per episode, which isn't a lot less than shows like GoT's final season and The Witcher S1 had. Plus they are apparently using the same VFX team who in fact does also work on The Witcher and is working on some of the Disney Plus MCU stuff as well.
If Clark had been red sunning for nearly a year, while Kara was on Earth that entire time, then he would basically be at 0% and slowly working his way up, while she started off at 100%. It would take at least a while for him to get back to his full might, which I'm sure was well after their fight. Also you have to take into account Clark is usually the one to hold back, especially against people he cares about, like his cousin who he loves dearly and is his only lifeline to his family and entire race.
So yeah, Supergirl wasn't allowed to lose that fight. Clark had too many things against him on top of it being her own show.
Based on in-universe info and dialogue, he has like a 14-year (or something along those lines) head start on Kara in terms of gaining his powers and becoming a superhero and has successfully battled that continuity's versions of Zod and Doomsday (based on his one conversation with Lois).
So, as already mentioned, he really should be able to handle his cousin, even holding back a bit. They actually showcase this element of his character in the new show.
Spoiler:So, Clark seems to hold back until he's sure that whoever he's fighting can withstand his hits without being killed.
He initially appears to struggle a bit against Luthor in their first fight. But once he knows the limits of what Luthor's powered suit can withstand, he kicks it up during the second and third encounters and wins both fights handily. And in the third episode as well, he initially appears to pull his punches somewhat when fighting the massive enhanced guy who attacked Lois, but once he knows that the guy is super tough and can take some hits and dish some out in return, he kicks it up a notch and whoops his ass.
IOW, Zack Snyder probably hates the show. 😛